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  1. ScuderiaWithStickPlease

    ScuderiaWithStickPlease F1 World Champ

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    Yes, you can deglaze in them. You can even cook tomato sauces in them. Just don't simmer a meat "gravy" for 10 hours in one . . .

    Nice buys!

    Good luck!
     
  2. Nurburgringer

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    Thanks Scud - and all for the feedback.

    Fired up the 10" aluminum pan today for the first time. Gave it a good wash then heated her up and sprayed with Pam for Grilling (cotton seed oil) and wiped with a paper towel.
    Some dark residue came off on the towel, less after the second "season".

    Heated her back up on the biggest burner at about medium heat, added a big splash of OO and laid in two salt&peppered perch filets skin side down. Let them sizzle for a couple minutes than flipped with a flat wooden spatula since I don't (yet) own any metal ones.
    Sure enough there was some stickage but the fish stayed together. After 2 minutes poured in about 1/4c of Mirin and a big squeeze of fresh lemon and scraped up most of the brown bits.
    Ate the fish on a lightly toasted bagel with a shmear of dijon (grey poupon, natch). YUM. The brown bits (mixed into a paste with the caramelized mirin) really do make a difference :)

    Pan heated up fast and evenly and retained the heat quite well. Rubber handle got warm but no towel necessary.
    Took a bit of elbow grease with a plastic scrubber in the sink to get all the stuck-on bits completely off but not that bad.
    With further use will the pan stick less, like a cast iron pan after repeated use/seasoning?

    Looking forward to using the new pan more often to fry up tasty treats!
     
  3. Vinny Bourne

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    Me neither but since it is.......... just some random thoughts. I was the same as you with the non-stick pans that had to be replaced UNTIL I thought for a moment and wondered where is all this high-tech funky chemical coating ending up? Well it seems to me that some of it is ending up in me. So I said, screw that especially after reading online about it. And then I had your question so I looked around.

    I have one of the largest cast iron pans Lodge makes, BUT only for looks as it has the MAST General Store logo on the bottom. Cast Iron is out as my family has a blood iron disease. Everyone else may want to think about that also.

    For time being I found a large SS pan for $15. Amazing, sturdy handle, heavy, and great finish. But if I were serious I would probably do a mix of some stuff from Williams-Sonoma and the enamel coated iron mentioned already. I will never ever use a non-stick again.
     
  4. onocoffee

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    I think that with cooking metals there will always be the possibility that some of the metals will leech into your food/body. The theory is that with cast iron, the patina provides the coating from the steel and that is what you consume rather than the non-stick formulation or raw metals of other pans.

    Yet, I think each has it's purpose. Sometimes, I really like the ease and flip-a-bility of fried eggs in a non-stick pan. Then there are times I like the crispy edges that I get in cast iron fried eggs. For scrambled, I go to the stainless sauce pan.

    I keep an assortment of cookware at home because there's a proper tool for every situation.
     
  5. Far Out

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    I'm an engineer and have exactly zero expertise in the biological or medical field, but the coatings don't stick because they don't chemically react with anything. Thus, they shouldn't react with your body either. IIRC, they just pass through your digestive system the way they came in (I'm happy to stand corrected by one of the experts we surely have here!). I wouldn't let me scare by some conspiracy sites... :)
     
  6. Vinny Bourne

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    My deducing occurred prior to searching for info on what may have entered my system, coming to the conclusion that some of that crap may be inside me caused me to seek out info. It's been years but I don't think it was found on conspiracy sites. Also I would not put too much faith in what current "science" says about anything. It would not be the first time a wonder product turned out to be a health disaster.
     
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  8. beepx2

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    All-Clad stainless set is what we use most for the past 15 years. Got the full set at Bed bath and beyond on sale and with a coupon for a great deal. We have 3 or 4 old cast iron pans from family or yard sales, wee seasoned. For non-stick we buy pans in sets of 3 at IKEA and then throw them away when the teflon starts to come off in a year or so. No reason to do therwise. Also have a set of copper clad revereware used occaisonaly - not bad.
     
  9. Face76

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  10. joker57676

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    Staub makes great cookware. They're expensive, but IMO, worth it. I have a large Dutch oven by Staub that quickly became my go to pot for a lot of stuff.


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  11. Face76

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    I agree. All our other cast iron is Lodge which is great but doesn't really have that "leave it on the counter as eye candy" appeal. It doesn't help that we inherited the Lodge from my parents where my Dad used two of the skillets as serving dishes for our bird dogs. Never told my wife that though or she might not use it.
     
  12. Nurburgringer

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    Ken - the Emeril set looks pretty nice!
    Those Staubs are gorgeous.

    Tomorrow the wife's stopping by Empire Fish to pick up some big scallops to sear in the aluminum pan, can't wait!

    This weekend I'm working on a pot&pan rack that'll go over the range, using a length of walnut with the bark stripped off, cut from the backyard last year.

    Saw the pic below on thechive.com, had to share :)
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  13. Face76

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    The key word being "Value".

    The Staub pan is getting a workout. Wife loves it and may start a collection.
     
  14. Nurburgringer

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    2nd go with the aluminum Vollrath was another success.
    Crisped up diced, smoked pork jowls in some hot OO, removed the meat, added a knob of butter and seared off 6 big scallops.
    Wish I had the pan a bit hotter. By the time they were browned the smaller of the scallops were a tad overcooked (probably by exactly the time it took me to snap a photo, oops). The 3 bigger ones were perfect.
    Deglazed the pan with a big squeeze of lemon and ~1/2cup of chardonnay then mixed that into the blue cheese dressing that got drizzled over grilled romaine and grape tomatoes.
    After deglazing the pan cleaned up quite easily.

    Ran back over to Fein Bros restaurant supply after lunch today to do some more shopping but they were closed for the day....
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  15. Face76

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    Has your dog ever tried to jump on that island?

    Great looking food.
     
  16. ScuderiaWithStickPlease

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    -- Scallops can crust up nicely, especially if you pat them super dry before they hit the pan. Thing is, though, when they get that restaurant sear all you taste is the caramelization; you loose a lot of the delicacy and flavors that offset the sweetness. So, based on the color you have in the pic, I'd guess you got the temp right, it's just a matter of timing.

    -- Fennel pollen works really well with scallops.

    How's that for unsolicited advice?
     
  17. Nurburgringer

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    Thanks! heh the counter top might as well be 10' high, little Shih Tzus can jump pretty well but nowhere near counter height when they can't get traction on wood floors :)
    Even when we eat dinner in the living room on the coffee table they're really good at just sitting there, looking sad and hungry.

    Fitted up the pot rack this morning. Still needs a bit more sanding and then a couple coats of shellac, and will probably pick up another pack of four hooks to put another couple on the back side but liking how it's going.
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  18. Nurburgringer

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    :) I'll take any advice I can get!

    I left them out on the counter wrapped in a paper towel for over an hour prior to hitting the pan so they were good and dry (smelled very clean as well).
    Afterwards I thought maybe leaving them out was a mistake. If they were chilled through the center would have taken a little longer to cook while the outside browned(?).
    Good point about over-carmelization taking over the flavor, even though the smaller ones were a little rubbery the flavor was spot on.
    We were actually trying to recreate a dish my wife had at a downtown restaurant, one I'd never seen. They blacken the scallops, which I didn't think was necessary even though I do love blackened fish or steak.

    Never heard of fennel pollen, will have to pick some up next trip to the Spice House!
     
  19. spirot

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    you do want to keep your scallops dry, they can left out at room temp for 5 min, prior to saute.

    I think the issue you have is the fond (the brown stuff from the bacon) left in the pan. it will burn if you increase the heat. you want to cook seafood fast and hot. pat scallops dry and saute in a pan with 50/50 olive / peanut oil. it will not burn... and will give you a good carmalization... with out it getting black. scallops are hearty so they can take some heat.

    you can then deglase the scallop pan into your bacon pan and get the flavors you want. OR.. cook the scallps with the bacon... still use the 50/50 mix on oil, it will help you get a good sear.

    everything has to be hot, and ready...bon appetite
     
  20. ScuderiaWithStickPlease

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    I don't agree with this rule of thumb (if restaurant trends matter, then it's almost a no-no.)

    In the case of large scallops, you can start with a pan that's been heated to just past medium so that you can get a sear, then quickly drop temp to assure the proteins don't stiffen up.

    Another thing that helps is to double dip them, that is, after each scallop is placed in the hot oil, lift it, then put it down on the same spot, making sure that spot has oil. This closes the gaps between the scallop and pan and helps prevent fond developing under the scallop (good scallops will leak juice from their sides, building fond on the side.)

    As for oils: Why go with oils that have there own flavor, like oo or peanut oil? Why risk the oo turning bitter?

    The oil to use is grape seed. If that's not available, or too expensive, canola is almost flavorless and can take ~600F.

    I hope this helps.
     
  21. Nurburgringer

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    Very cool, I love a good food debate, and learning new words :)

    Good point Spirot about the danger of burning the fond leftover from the pork. I kept a close eye on this but wanted to use the same pan and leftover fat just because I love smoked pork fat flavor. Two pans would have been the best way to go but I'm also quite lazy...

    I somewhat inadvertently did the "double dip" move you mention Scud, when checking on the browning.

    Choosing the optimal oil is something that's always been a but of a black art to me.
    I've consulted numerous webpages of smoke temps, like this one:Cooking Oil Smoke Points
    But of course not all oo, or 'vegetable' oil, or any oil is exactly the same so there doesn't seem to be any absolute rule.
    600F is well above anything I've read about canola oil though, this site says 468F:
    Canola Oil in The Professional Chef's Kitchen

    Canola does seem to be a good one as far as neutral flavor, temps and cost, will have to pick some up and keep it in one of those plastic squeeze bottles like the pros. :)

    On a different topic of cookware yesterday I baked German-style pretzels, one batch with rye flour one with AP, on parchment paper (first time I've used this) in the convection oven. Came out great, will definitely be baking with paper more often!
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  22. ScuderiaWithStickPlease

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    The 600F was from memory, so please go with the site you linked to, Ringer.

    As for the double dip, it works better if you do it at the very beginning. It's place the scallop in the hot oil, lift, swirl the pan and place the scallop on the same spot.

    I hope this helps.
     
  23. Giovanni_P

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    Another vote for Staub here. I got a nice sapphire blue 7 quart dutch oven for Christmas, and as a result our crock pot has been banished to the basement. We've used the Staub half a dozen times thus far and have yet to create a poor meal in it.

    Be careful about size when you buy one, though. The 7 quart barely fits between the lowest and highest racks in our oven (which is one of those double ovens with 1/3 of its space devoted to an upper oven and 2/3 devoted to a lower oven). And it's heavy- the cast iron top feels like a manhole cover!

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  24. Nurburgringer

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    Thanks again for the tips Scud, will try them out next time we do scallops.

    I'm on the hunt for a dutch oven, but can't see the crock pot ever losing it's place in our kitchen.
    Got a 5lb pork shoulder in ours right now 6hrs into it's ~10hr cycle. Can't picture leaving a DO on the (gas) range or in the oven all day, especially when I'm out and about like today.

    What are some of the things you've made in your D.O.?
     
  25. joker57676

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    I can answer re: the Dutch oven. I've done osso buco, braised short ribs, chicken cacciatore, seared and then roasted steaks, rosemary/garlic potatoes, red pasta sauce, risotto, pasta carbonara, and, um.....I'm sure others. I use mine a lot.



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