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  1. Steve_nero

    Steve_nero Formula Junior

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    I honestly think that is wrong. Steve did not make the post in jest and we can't sit here in the UK section hiding behind "special humour". Since when has Steve had this great relationship with Rob (or indeed anyone outside the UK section) where he jokes about and share's "banter". It doesn't happen.

    I don't know Steve but I do enjoy most of his posts and he is great on the technical side and generally adds a lot to the site. I would like to see him stay. However, he is far from blameless.

    Doesn't anyone remember when he first came here and went on and on about 12s vs 8s and proper Ferrari's. He seriously annoyed many people. Tonyh almost banned him! Have a look at his early posts, Tonyh and Stevef kissed and made up at See Red 2004.

    Sometimes he goes too far, I think he was having a pop at Rob (again) and Rob snapped - Rob has admitted that.

    Steve
     
  2. andrewg

    andrewg F1 Rookie
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    Stig and Graham were able to moderate the UK section, Steve's post was outside the UK section, in a post relating to another members subscription payment.

    Why should the UK mods be responsible for monitoring all of steves 9k+ posts

    I for one want everybody to appologise for whatever part they may have played in this stupidity and get on with life, after all it is just an internet chatroom, a good one but still just a site on the tinterweb (as Rob's already appologised where are the appologies from the UK guys?)
     
  3. Jas

    Jas Formula Junior

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    Rob,

    I'll reply to this for your personal benefit (as I have no problem with you now, having accepted your apology).


    Herein lies part of your problem :)

    I'll rephrase this using your own analogy, but rephrasing it to how I and others see it:

    I'm in your bar, your friend pushes me, I punch him knocking him down, all the friends grab my arms to hold me back. Should I not beat them down too?



    Try and see it Rob :)
     
  4. andrewg

    andrewg F1 Rookie
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    If we want to use the bar analogy....


    Rob the landlord (who's already known to be hot tempered) is having a discussion with a regular about whether or not he's paid his tab.

    Steve butts into the conversation and calls Rob a short arse, remember the alamo etc

    Rob whos already a bit heated up due to his conversation with the other regular then bars Steve for a couple of months

    Rob pissed at the world in general tells all the regulars that he wont tolerate that sort of behaviour

    All the regulars get upset and leave to another pub

    In real life most of the regulars would have been able to see the situation for what it was......a silly argument that could have been resolved with a bit of diplomacy,
    all thats happened now is the regulars think the Landlords a tit and will only come in for happy hour (tech info) who has really lost out here......

    EVERYBODY ON FCHAT INCLUDING STEVE, ROB AND THE WHOLE UK SECTION
     
  5. londra_avvocatessa

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    Taken from my post above ;

    I know Steve had posted in a non UK section, so you have every right to get involved, but would it not have been wise to allow the UK Moderators to explain to his friends and comrades in the UK section the reasons for his banning and what was going to be the consequences?
     
  6. francisn

    francisn Formula 3

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    Good one AndrewG

    To continue it further.

    A lot of casual visitors to the bar, who sometimes felt a bit intimidated by what often seemed like a bit of rowdiness and really neverunderstood half of what the regulars were talking about, breathed a sigh of relief and decided they might visit the bar a bit more often because now they could actually be heard in conversation.

    Meanwhile the landlord, sensing that maybe he had gone a bit too far, but also realising he had also attracted a few different clients, suggested that he might remodel his bar going to a saloon and lounge bar arrangement rather than just one big open bar.

    But will the old regulars decide that the bar down the road doesn't have the same atmosphere, and despite the hot tempered nature of the landlord, decide to go back to his bar.

    Time will tell :)
     
  7. andrewg

    andrewg F1 Rookie
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    All this talk of bars is making me thirsty.... a think a little trip to my local is in order, just hope the loudmouth who sits on a stool at the end of the bar isnt in tonight..............
     
  8. francisn

    francisn Formula 3

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    And don't pick a fight with the landlord :)
     
  9. matkat

    matkat Formula 3

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    Not sure why You would see this as an issue because as a Country we are the biggest users of the site outside the US therefore the "potential" for any of Your "PERCEIVED" wrong doing is bound to be multiplied, law of averages and all that
     
  10. rob lay

    rob lay Administrator
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    I can see how you have that analogy, but can you at least respect how I have mine?

    Didn't I comment the very first day about this mess being a "chicken or egg" question? I was upset with the public attacks over the ban and you were upset I was attacking the public attacks.
     
  11. rob lay

    rob lay Administrator
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    yes
     
  12. Jas

    Jas Formula Junior

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    That's the problem. There were no public "attacks". There were posts criticising Steve's ban as an overreaction. You saw these as personal attacks. They were not. You then deleted these threads.

    I posted one of those messages, and it was NO attack.

    Anyway, it doesn't really matter, as you said, we "bar brawlers have our lawless site", and you are happy for us :)

    And you have your utopia for gentlemen Ferrari owners ;)
     
  13. jrs

    jrs Formula 3

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    All

    How about moving on now. Enough's enough and the topic's been done to death !!!!
     
  14. andrewg

    andrewg F1 Rookie
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    Agreed, maybe Stig could close this thread?
     
  15. francisn

    francisn Formula 3

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    As a newly invigorated poster - I agree. Close this thread
     
  16. mmm355

    mmm355 Formula Junior

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    I would be very interested in installing a slippery pole in this new bar for beautiful women to slide up and down:D Not sure how that fits into your analogy but I miss the old UK forum and welcome the new in equal measures. This is evolution in progress. In many ways, a beautiful thing.

    Like a Ferrari :)
     
  17. Jas

    Jas Formula Junior

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    Don't like what we see, don't agree with it? Quick, close the thread!! :D
     
  18. andrewg

    andrewg F1 Rookie
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    I've got the rehersal room for one of the clubs opposite my office, the girls use it to warm up and practice before going to work....makes working late more than bearble :D
     
  19. KenC

    KenC Formula 3

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    Keep this thread open - its getting a lot better now!
     
  20. rob lay

    rob lay Administrator
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    I've settled with steve.

    I have apologized to the users that thought I was attacking them.

    I'm available by PM or email if you ever want to talk. My American Airlines flight leaves the UK for Texas in 15 minutes. Wax, Stig, and a yet unnamed mod have keys to the bar. The place has been remodeled, we kicked one or two loud drunks out, and a few of their friends left with them. I started this site for Ferrari enthusiasts as a hobby. I'm not motivated by how many numbers we have or how much money I can make. While my day job is still in full swing I only care for the expenses to get covered. Beyond that I just want a pleasant fun community and that's what we are outside the UK and what we'll be everywhere in the future. I know this is what others want too.

    I will always welcome Ferrari enthusiasts that are good people. I truly think there were only a couple people from the UK forum that weren't good people and now they are gone.

    Sorry for the drama of the past week, one step back, two steps forward…

    Thanks,
    rob
     

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