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Count Giovanni Volpi on creating the Breadvan and GTO (excellent read for collectors)

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  1. bobafett

    bobafett F1 Veteran

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    Re: 2053,

    Where is the GTO proto body, or when was it destroyed?

    Is the drogo body the one pictures in Carbon's post below? (absolutely stunning).

    Where is the car now?

    --Dan
     
  2. El Wayne

    El Wayne F1 World Champ
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    Dan, it was removed very early on and replaced with a standard SWB body. I would only assume that it was junked.

    Yep, that's it.

    I believe it's in Belgium. There are people who post on this board that have probably seen (and possibly photographed?) this car in its present state, but I'm sure they will remain silent.
     
  3. bobafett

    bobafett F1 Veteran

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    Thanks Wayne - I hope the car reappears in the Drogo body.

    Carbon, (or anyone else) - any more pictures of the car in said Drogo clothing? One of the few Drogo designs I consider aesthetically pleasing.

    --Dan

    PS: Am I the only one who thinks of "Droogs" from clockwork orange when I hear / see "Drogo"!?! (Maybe that says too much about me. :D)
     
  4. 134282

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    Reappearance...? What...? The car was destroyed... What reappearance do you speak of...? A replica...? Do tell...


    Dan, just a moment...
     
  5. 134282

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  6. 134282

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    Gerald and i were just talking about this car a little while ago... He asked me if i think this car is more beautiful than a GTO... i told him i didn't feel comfortable answering... :D

    But, yes, i do... :)
     
  7. bobafett

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    Thanks Carboner. Bloody christ that nose is hideous. But the rest of the car, esp. the profile and rear 3/4 are absolutely sumptuous. I like how the rear line (from the profile shot) cuts back in, reminds me of the Shelby coupe (imo on eof the nicest designs).

    --Dan
     
  8. bobafett

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    After looking at the pictures more, my worthless opinion is that it would be a shame if the car were rebuilt as an SWB (which I love, mind you) instead of this Drogo body. Here's to hoping that someone in Belgium feels the same way.

    --Dan
     
  9. 134282

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    i'm right there with you - but i think i missed something... From what i understand, the car was destroyed, so who is going to "rebuild" it and with what...?
     
  10. El Wayne

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    Look at your own image of the car following the accident at Spa in '64. What do you see? A pile of dust? "Destroyed" cars have been resurrected from much less:

    http://www.pirro.com/All.Ferraris/250-tr-0720tr/index.html
     
  11. sjvalin

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    So no one knows what happened to this car after the accident? It couldn't possibly have been left in this shape for 40 years. I'm sure it was rebuilt into something back in the day.

    -steve
     
  12. 134282

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    Yeah, but you and i have discussed this before... You've said yourself that the car was destroyed... Is there new information that you're privy to...?
     
  13. ArtS

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    NNO,

    The rumors have been around for a long time. No proof that I'm aware of though.

    Art S.
     
  14. 134282

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    News to me... But i'm intrigued nonetheless...
     
  15. El Wayne

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    From what I understand, it has not been rebuilt. What I don't know, though, is to what extent it might have been pillaged and how much remains.

    Carbon, nothing in particular, just the sum of other conversations here and there.
     
  16. dretceterini

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    Certainly not my taste, but I would rather have it rebuilt with the Drogo body than yet another "standard" SWB...
     
  17. 134282

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    Absolutely...!
     
  18. Katalis

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    It's great to have photos like these CDM. Can you identify some of the guys in your pix?

    Reminds me of a trip I made to Australia in the early 70's and on the way to a motorcylce race I saw Agostini and his crew at a motel working on their 3 cylinder MV Augustas. Ago was in an undershirt, a bit heavy and looking like he was hung over. I have lost those pix but memories like these are invaluable.
     
  19. 328KNB

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    That is without doubt the most incredible post I have EVER seen on this site. Not only is it an incredible bit of history but also puts our passion for the red cars in perspective.

    Count, I salute you.
     
  20. Rags747

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    Absolutely Fantastic! I could have sat on my couch all night reading this stuff. The Count really needs to write a book on his experiences. History, Cars, Women and advices...absolutely a great read.
     
  21. davidgoerndt

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    I just picked up the latest issue of Forza. While reading through the issue I came across a sidebar article about Piero Drogo. In the article the author mentions the Breadvan as an altered 250 GTO #2819. There still seems to be a lot of erroneous information being written about this car.
     
  22. eurperules

    eurperules Formula Junior

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    wonderfull thread, and a truly inspiring letter!

    it completely changed my view on the high end of the classic car market. it's so true, you can buy the car, but you can not buy its history.
    the history lies with the men who raced and designed these beauties.

    it's a shame that in these days, where racing and collecting cars are mostly hard fought businesses, there is no more place for individuals like mr volpi or mr bizzarrini.

    they were the ones whose lifestyles and opinions created such a wonderfull era. that's why we are now all so intrigued by these cars

    thanks for sharing
     
  23. VIZSLA

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    Every so often its good to remember that its about the people even more than about the cars. Thank you all.
     
  24. Il Vecchio

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    Mr. G., is it your height, leg length, or? You look pretty slim in photos!

    Just curious...
     
  25. Michiel Mobiel

    Michiel Mobiel Formula 3

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    I sat in the Breadvan some time ago and I'm 1.88m tall. I didn't fit... :(
    The car is very, very low!

    Alwin Hietbrink made a new seat for Mr. Werner, which differs a lot, but still the car is very tight.
    Good to see the car is winning races with Mr. Werner behind the wheel!
     

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