Countach 25th Anniversario

Yeah, not a huge fan of the styling but given the astronomical prices for Countachs these days, many will have to learn to like it.

 

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Techno Classica 2016
For sale at 590.000€ with 3465km from new.
bianco perlato/rosso
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my rosso perlato has less KMs - if anyone is interested in spending that kind of money shoot me a PM

 

DD....

May actually not be too far off with that color combo.

 

I know I'm in the minority but if the FI is the better car then a DD shldnt command a 250k premium.

 

Agree...the thing is...most do not ever drive. They just collect them, so they buy into the "Koolaid" that it is so rare and that much better of a car. When it is really a decision of each person on their own which they prefer. Also recall that the FI is produced in FEWER numbers so in reality is the rare unit if you go by that.

 

Correct. Factoring in worldwide production figures, the F/I is more rare. The DD performance advantage is also a myth. The only advantage a DD had is being tested without emissions equipment. Test both in identical configurations and the F/I is the better of the two. Comes on power harder, and more fluidly, especially if the DD is even slightly out of tune.

 

ive never heard a DD anny in the flesh but my FI with ansa exhaust sounds pretty darn good

 

100% a myth. It is a well known fact that in the 80s Lamborghini could not afford to send press cars the world over, so U.S tests of cars were conducted normally in privately owned vehicles, and treated a bit more gently. Its also a well documented fact that the factory kept "ringers" for the press to test. Most of the QV tests were conducted with the red QV DD that Valentino also drove in the 60 Minutes episode. The best documented and instrumented test of the Countach (unlike euro tests like Fast Lane using stop watches) is the Car And Driver test from April 86, where they tested both a DD, and a F/I on U.S soil.The DD was owned by GM and the F/I privately owned. In acceleration tests, the euro car clicked off 0 to 60 in 4.5 sec, and the 1/4 in 12.8@111. The F/I on the other hand ran 0 to 60 in 5.1 sec, and the 1/4 in 13.3@111. To someone unfamiliar with drag racing, they'd simply look at the times achieved and figure one clearly quicker than the other. Thats not the case. The case is the DD by 60mph already had a 6/10 of a second lead, indicates the F/I was launched rather gently. What tells the whole story is the identical 111mph they both reached in the 1/4. ET is a function of traction and driver, mph is a function of power.

http://media.caranddriver.com/files/lambo-countach-apr-86.pdf

In regards to the only way you can make a F/I more powerful than a DD being by converting it to a DD, again wrong. Apart from of course TT and supercharging options, the best option is to convert a F/I to electronic fuel injection. Dennis's yellow EFI and distributor-less CT made over 420rwhp.

As to your dyno VERIFIED claims... This again inaccurate. As per TONY, who was the one who posted the results:

"The Carbed QV we tested had no cats.

We also did a 400S2 with 45DCOE also no cats.

The rest of the numbers were plugged in based on percentages.

As we Dyno different Countach over the years the numbers will become more accurate.

Hope that explains it.

Tony"
Here is the full chart posted:
311 WHP..........LP400.............45DCOE
311 WHP..........LP400S1/2.......45DCOE
293 WHP..........LP400S3..........40DCOE
311 WHP..........5000S.............45DCOE
270 WHP..........5000S....................F.I.
348 WHP..........5000QV..................F.I.
377 WHP..........5000QV...........44DCNF

So they never actually dynoed the F/I. Simply used the same percentage of loss from factory quoted figures. Another DD dynoed at 352rwhp with smog pump and factory exhaust. (no cats) No european Countach ever had catalytic converters attached. An F/I Ct dynoed 381rwhp without cats and sport exhaust.

And yes, no Countach is a bad Countach.

 

Touched a soft spot I guess, I only pointed to the fact that the asking is much higher than other Anni FI cars out there. I am in the camp that both engines have their strengths, but I dont think its about any of that at the end of the day.......

Its the only V-12, Downdraft Carb'd 4 Valve engine ever created for the street. I dont care if it was actually slower, I would still collect the engine that is the pinnacle for all of Carbd engine technology. Its a true end of era, go out with a bang engine. Put it this way, your more likely to find a 2 valve side draft Countach then a DD car...... Anni or not.

Any other discussion is not worth having because they are both great engines at the end of the day.

The DD in stock form is more powerful, its the way it is and you can make Myths out of it all day if you'd like. But that's not even the point really.

 

I find it interesting..EVEN if you use these so called "Test Numbers" that the DD is ONLY.6/10ths of a second faster then the FI, so they say, in a 0-60...even if this was true..can anyone here REALLY tell they drove a car that was 6/10ths faster? I dont even think they make watches to where on your wrist that say 1/10ths??

I mean come on, really? You couldn't even look down and back up in 6/10ths of a second, not to mention I can easily say here that just about EVERYONE here that may be lucky to have a DD or a FI countach is SURELY not going out to the drag strip and trying their car...NOPE, if anything, they are driving them more careful and with easy then their mothers Volvo!!

It just comes down to the OLD always going to be there..."My D**K is bigger then your D**K"

Because a FI car with the ansi exhaust sounds just as wonderful as a DD IMO..its a 12 cycl car that roars....the back make look a little different (the engine deck)...which for me at least is a PIN IN TH A** to see out the back and over..

Slice anyway you want..but 5-10 years from NOW..be it a DD or a FI a Countach is a car you will have to wait to come to sell if you want one..and by then YOU will pay for it..

HISTORY repeats itself...look at The Miura...EVRYONE had to have the SV...well NOW you will just about kill to get the 400 OR the S..ITS still a MIURA and its STILL a COUNTACH

 

In a discussion simply about power, from real facts, real dynos, and real side by side runs, the DD is not more powerful.

Performance aside, any Countach is amazing, and performance at this point is not why you buy a Countach.

 

F/I with exhaust (even better with a set of headers as well) sounds fantastic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afoow9di5qQ

 

There you go, tell me that after seeing and hearing this, that there is REALLY a BIG difference between the DD and a FI car...I just don't see it..I sure dont see it at DOUBLE the current going prices for these two examples..

I also think MOST, at least 98.9% of the people out there, when thee see a Countach and hear it drive by are in WOW WOW WOW mode.......I would like to see someone that has actual experience where they drove their FI car, took it to a car show, or whatever and were told NAAAA, it ain't nothing after all its ONLY a FI car not a DD car LOL LOL yea that will happen..

I think ANY Countach as well as ANY Lamborghini are a treat to have..but at least for me, where no "expert" Carb tuners are in my area, and the ones that remain in a small force through the USA are slowly going bye bye...that as time goes on... and it as going FAST...you will enjoy your FI car for easy maintenance, tunning, cold starts and general all around less headaches..and maintenance cost...


HOWEVER it is true that it may take you a "few seconds" longer top get to a car show as your FI is so slow compared to the FI cars....LOL

 

It is nothing but a silly argument, they are in fact identical cars, with different induction, same thing buildt side by side by the same guy drinking the same vino for lunch,

 

Did this car sell? Thanks

 

Interesting bid at Bonhäms 418$All inn DD anni, less than 2k miles thats not much up from a similar FI anni. 20%at the most.

 

From this angle,this fi looks as good or perhaps better and more massiv thän the dd