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Countach Anniversary?????

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  1. smglop

    smglop Formula Junior

    Sep 25, 2005
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    On the Lamborghini registry website the start date of 1972 was used as the basis for the 2007 35th Anniversary of the Countach because that was the year the Countach was “approved for development as a road car.” I am writing this because I feel the premise for this anniversary is wrong. Mention the dates 1971 and 1974 to any Countach enthusiast and you will see smiles of recognition. Mention the date 1972 and you will see a quizzical look.
    According to your method, the 1st anniversary celebration would have been in 1973 and could have yielded 0 cars. Using 1974 as the start date, the 1st anniversary would have been in 1975 and could have yielded 24 cars.
    The factory itself, in producing the 25th Anniversary Countach in 1989 and subsequent anniversary models, used 1964 as the start date, which was the year of the first production car. Other marques from around the world have used the first model year as the basis of their anniversary observances. I have never heard of a “company approval” being used as the basis of an anniversary. The term “approved for development as a road car” as the basis for your anniversary means that I can now celebrate the 1st anniversary of the new Camaro. How many cars will show up for that one? The Anniversary Corvettes use 1953 as the starting point, which was when the 1st cars were delivered, not when the “approval” was given. There are hundreds of anniversaries that I could list including some famous tragedies that are observed and none of them are observed based on when they were “approved”. The D-Day anniversary is celebrated on June 6. I am sure the “approval” came at a different date.. The Pearl Harbor anniversary is celebrated on Dec 7. I am sure the approval was given at a different date. I hesitate in using another famous tragedy but I can tell you that that one is observed on the day it occurred and not when it was “approved” For those of you that are married, do you celebrate your anniversary on the day of the event, or on the day your spouse “approved of the proposal”. Sound ridiculous? Then why is it ok now? Why this choice? A lack of patience? A desire to see prices go up the way they did for the Miura anticipating the big 40th anniversary bash? According to your method, wouldn’t 2005 have been the 40th anniversary of the Miura and not 2006? The true 35th anniversary of the Countach should be in 2009, which no one seems to have the patience to wait for.
    Lamborghini has always suffered in the shadow of Ferrari. The Countach has especially suffered from ridicule by those who dismiss it. Doesn’t the world’s greatest supercar, the grand-daddy to all supercars, and the benchmark still to this day of all attempts at outrageousness (even Lamborghini itself), deserve to be treated with respect and be given it’s proper and due spotlight at the proper time when the whole automotive world can stop and show it’s praise?.
    My feeling is that the 35th anniversary moniker should be abandoned and just be labeled a “gathering, reunion, etc.” Some traditions can be almost impossible to reverse and this one has been started in my opinion on very shaky ground. At the very least, the factory should be consulted on what they feel the true anniversary of the car is. Has anyone asked Lamborghini, Gandini, Bob Wallace, etc?
    After reading the threads on this forum I am amazed to see how much knowledge, passion and enthusiasm this car engenders. The hard work of Joe Sackey shows a knowledge base and passion to match anything out there. But with all due respect to Mr. Sackey , and that respect is huge, it looks likes everyone is following him blindly in this proclamation of 1972 as the start date. Where are the counters to this? I can’t be the only one to see this as a strange date to commemorate. The lack of a counter to this from knowledgeable enthusiasts is striking. Are people afraid to counter Mr. Sackey? I mean no disrespect to him or to you. I know that he will be reading this and will hopefully respond. I am only asking for a rational discussion. I also must say that I am running the risk of looking to everyone like a party- pooper. That is far from the case here. I happen to be the proud owner of a beautiful Countach S having also owned a 5000qv.I also have the same fire and passion that you all do and want to see my car bask in the glory and the limelight. I admit my knowledge is not based on first-hand accounts of factory workers but rather on all the books and articles that I have collected over the past 20 years. If I am wrong in my assertion of 1974 being the first year of the production car and therefore the first year of the counting, then please disregard this rant and I’ll find the appropriate hole to climb into. But if I am right, lets all have the decency to say “oops sorry” and look forward to future anniversary celebrations. Not for my sake, but for the cars. They deserve it.
     
  2. joe sackey

    joe sackey Five Time F1 World Champ

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    Any excuse to have a party, thats all.
    1972 indeed was the year in which Ferruccio approved the manufacture of what hitherto was simply a design study. Bob Wallace and Stanzani convinced him that the car was a viable project and it was approved that year, resulting in the building of a production prototype (1120001).
    I dont recall ANYONE stating that 1972 was the begining of production.
    In fact if you read the announcement at www.lamborghiniregistry.com carefully Mr first-time poster, its says: "1972 was the year in which the original Countach concept was approved for deleopment as a road car". Thats a fact.
    In the Spring of 1974 the first production car was made. This means we can have another party in 2009 :)
    If youll spend some of your time and help organize the 2009 event and make it the 'proper' anniversary, we will all attend that one too! Dont worry about finding a hole to climb into just yet. Ill suggest that if everyone agrees with you, nobody will show up this August at Concorso but me. BUT, if more than 5 Countach show (more than the average showing) I suggest we dig a hole off the green at the tree-line and have you publicly climb into it there for us all to see :) Fair enough?

    Joe
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  3. 2NA

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    Hear! Hear!


    I can't wait for 2009!!
     
  4. joe sackey

    joe sackey Five Time F1 World Champ

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    LOL. Surely you mean 2007 AND 2009?
    Funny, the last Countach Reunion was in 2001....Why? Because thats when Lamborghini Club America President felt like calling for one. And come they did. I guess the Lamborghini faithful are not as up-tight as some and in truth the Countach Reunion is one of many events happening at what essentially is 'Concorso Italiano'. One can make as big or as little a deal about it as one wishes. Or pay no attention at all :) Like it or not, it IS the 35th anniversary of when the car was announced for production and if anniversaries must always be ONLY on the date of first production and it bothers some so much they can always stay away....the intention was purely to have fun and get the cars together and thats what appears to be happening. Party poopers can find holes to jump into (if they wish), in the same way that they can choose to attend, loosen up, and have a good time (if they wish).

    Joe
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  5. chevalcabre

    chevalcabre Formula Junior

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    i'll be there with a yellow car ???

    ...unless "roy cats" , the king of usa of lambos that writes checks and talks little robs me of this yellow car ....????

    uh-oh....


    but, a party is a party and all it is about is enjoying.
    i had my 1st countach when i was 23 and it was a white 1984 on tan leather..bought it in miami and drove it back to montreal straight ! 2400 kms !
    wether it is a 35 or 33 anniv., dont really care..just another scheme to amass funds and keep the hotels busy !
     
  6. joe sackey

    joe sackey Five Time F1 World Champ

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    Just checked the site at www.concorso.com and it appears to me that the Countach event is correctly titled as we suggested as:

    "The Countach Reunion for the upcoming 35th Anniversary"

    Sounds perfectly fine to me. Not for my sake. But for the Countachs. Mine doesnt have a problem :)

    Joe
    www.JoeSackey.com
     
  7. joe sackey

    joe sackey Five Time F1 World Champ

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  8. smglop

    smglop Formula Junior

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    So much for asking for a "rational discussion". My only concern was calling this event an "anniversary". I have read Mr. Sackey's replies and am disappointed in the tone. Somehow this is being turned around into making it sound like this event shouldn't happen. WRONG! There should be events like this every weekend and Mr. Sackey should be commended for all of his hard work. I have spoken to everyone I know to make sure that they attend this event. I planned on attending it myself. I only had an issue with the "anniversary" part of it.
    I have always told people who are looking at these cars to try to speak to Mr. Sackey before they purchase. I explain to everyone that Mr. Sackey is the guy to talk to. Joe Sackey's name is brought up by me in more conversations about the Countach that I can remember. Yet my first experience trying to talk to him myself has resulted in attitude.
     
  9. joe sackey

    joe sackey Five Time F1 World Champ

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    The event is called:
    "The Countach Reunion for the upcoming 35th Anniversary"
    Do you have a problem with that? Is that incorrect? Are you saying annivesaries CANNOT be celebrated on anything but the exact anniversary? I fail to see the transgression as do most Ive talked to.
    Also, since we note you feel so strongly about this as to cause your lengthy first post (which can hardly be called "rational"), what "beautiful Countach S" do you own? WE want to be sure to note your 'protested' presence... or lack thereof! (your choice). Also, if you are really sincere in your thoughts and feelings and have no hidden agenda (Mr I-know-who-you-are, its a small Lamborghini world), why dont you go by your true name....like I do????

    Joe
    www.JoeSackey.com

    PS - No attitude at all on my part. Ive just learned how to take care of myself... :)
     
  10. FredParoutaud

    FredParoutaud Formula 3

    Jun 9, 2004
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    Ah...the "attitude". Just search through some posts and you'll find more of this attitude. Welcome to the club!

    Well, I have to say that the whole concept of a 35th anniversary for anything is pretty lame. :-D But, to his defense, I also agree with Joe's statement "any excuse for a party."

    So whatever. Enjoy the show. Enjoy the "attitude". (you can have it!)

    Cheers,

    Fred
     
  11. joe sackey

    joe sackey Five Time F1 World Champ

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    Thanks for your support Fred. LOL. Does anything else really matter other than statement as youve quoted?

    As for 'attitude' as some might like to reference it, I like to think of it as 'sticking up for myself'. I picked this up somewhere along the line and find it has its benefits on occasion :)

    Joe

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  12. Gershwin

    Gershwin F1 Veteran

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    I think your post was a good question, well written and you invested a lot of time in it. However, I think your ascertion to "say oops" and shouldn't someone call the factory for verification would have turned any party organizer on their ear.
    Put it this way as an analogy, after your daughter has decided to get married, don't question the wedding date just stroke the checks.


    but other than that, welcome to the board!
     
  13. joe sackey

    joe sackey Five Time F1 World Champ

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    This rather redundant thread reminds me of the saying: "Its no use shutting the barn door after the horse has bolted". If a lot of time was invested in that first post (of that Ive no doubt), it was wasted. If "smglop" was really concerned, he would have called the factory himself and also asked Concorso Italiano to consider NOT entertaining a Countach Reunion this year, instead of asking in his very first post here why hadnt somebody else done this on his behalf (whether they would have entertained his abundantly evident sour grapes is another matter altogether....)!
    As Ive said in an earlier post, the funny thing is I am not even an organizer of the Countach Reunion in any way shape or form. I just started a small thread to help Jim Heady and Jack Wadsworth get the word out and here we are! I thought the thread would die after a page or two...That thread is purely about the love for Countachs: nothing more.
    The worn-out insinuation is made that reunions are simply there to cause price increases (it is this that identifies the writer to me) but anyone who has been around these cars several decades knows that supply and demand are the only factors that rule.
    As for smglop's insincere carrying-on about commending me and holding my knowlege or whatever in high esteem (this right after rallying the troops with: "Are people afraid to counter Mr Sackey?"), I say, thanks, but I make my own way just fine without any assisted promotion.
    Then he lamely suggests that his first post is his way of "trying to talk to (me) myself"! LOL. Does anybody beleive that his first post was an attempt to try to talk to me myself??? Everybody reading this can access my phone and e-mail in seconds. Who are we kidding?
    I can smell BS a mile off, and there's no question this this thread has a pungent aroma.

    Joe
    www.JoeSackey.com
     
  14. NSXER

    NSXER Formula 3

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    All I have to say is that I will certainly be there and I am looking forward to seeing a variety of great cars and meeting some nice people. Kansas is not exactly car central UNLESS all you like are muscle cars which I like to some degree. When I was at the event (also the races) 2 years ago I was like a kid in a candy store and cannot wait to be there this year!
     
  15. joe sackey

    joe sackey Five Time F1 World Champ

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    #15 joe sackey, Mar 20, 2007
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    Its 1972 and Paolo Stanzani, Massimo Parenti and their team are slaving away with chassis builder Marchesi to make the now-santctioned Countach project become a production reality.....this was a BIG moment in the history of this small Santa Agata firm, considering that Countach production almost never happened.

    1972 raises quizzical looks? Perhaps, for the uninitiated who still have a way to go with learning Lamborghini history....

    We will celebrate 1972 (or any other year for that we like for that matter) at Monterey this year, and most of us will not be deterred by some "Johnny-Come-Lately" short on action and tall on talk whose ranting is without merit as he hides anonymously behind the name "smglop". There is always a 'party pooper' (to use own words) who wants to tell you how, when, and where you should celebrate any occasion.

    Automobili Lamborghini have confirmed that they will have official presence at the event this year. In fact, they are thinking of sending that very car built in late 1972 (1120001), if only they can sort out how to insure a priceless Countach for the trip. For the record, they could care less what the event is called. Theyre just excited to see the Countach being celebrated at a major Italian car event in the USA. No time will be spent fretting about the politically correct way to honor the Countach.

    Here's to those who actually get off their backsides and organize events, put in the hard work to collate information on these cars to be shared in a public forum, and just focus on just being enthusiastic about the cars. Especially in the USA, we can do it how, when, and where we want.
    This June I will celebrate the 36th anniversary of the manufacture of my Miura SV with a trip in it with my graduating son. He can hardly wait! I havent yet planned anything for the 32nd anniversary of my LP400 Periscopa...

    Joe
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  16. smglop

    smglop Formula Junior

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    What a shocking display of arrogance! I have used this board in the true nature it was intended, which is a means of information, advice, entertainment, etc. I had a legitimate question and inserted myself in this board to discuss that question. I had no idea that one man ruled over all and has now set out to twist everything I have said and to use language like “cry baby, whiner, etc”. A complete shout-down of another person’s thoughts and ideas! I hope that everyone who reads these forums sees exactly what they are in for if they dare to disagree. What an absolute disgrace!

    P.S. To all owners of these cars, I want to say have a great time. I never questioned the event, only the title.

    P.S.S. Thank you Gershwin
     
  17. joe sackey

    joe sackey Five Time F1 World Champ

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    Please go ahead and organize a Reunion yourself in 2009 if that is indeed the ONLY proper year to celebrate the car's history. Who is stopping you?

    But dont expect your neck not to be chopped off if you come on here and question an event that has already been organised at great effort and time to the benefit of others who clearly wish to just celebrate the cars - anytime. Perhaps you missed the reference to closing the barn door after the horse has bolted.... I think you fully expected this type of response, hence your own forecasting of yourself being seen as a "party pooper" (your words again). Comparing the birth of the Countach to major war events that killed many people such as D-Day and Pearl Harbour? Come on, get real! The Countach is a cool car, thats all.

    I say if your motives were sincere, you simply would have gone about organizing the "proper" way to celebrate the Countach in a 2009 event. Go for it.

    Joe

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