Countach Downdraft 1985 to 1988.5 | Page 112 | FerrariChat

Countach Downdraft 1985 to 1988.5

Discussion in 'LamborghiniChat.com' started by joe sackey, Oct 25, 2015.

This site may earn a commission from merchant affiliate links, including eBay, Amazon, Skimlinks, and others.

  1. Ellagirl

    Ellagirl F1 Rookie

    Aug 20, 2014
    2,736
    Florida
    Full Name:
    Nils johnsen
    I repainted my sills(two of very few parts repainted) and did actually also repaint the flat black bottom lipp, noticed these lipps/ flanges are very inconsistent from car to car,( started paying att once i did mine) als,as you said, the unskirted cars are extremely fragile / unprotected in this erea being soft aluminum and very exposed, probably also in a trailer situation.
     
  2. joe sackey

    joe sackey Five Time F1 World Champ

    May 23, 2006
    57,525
    Southern California
    Full Name:
    Joe Sackey
    #2777 joe sackey, Apr 29, 2016
    Last edited by a moderator: Sep 7, 2017
  3. Ellagirl

    Ellagirl F1 Rookie

    Aug 20, 2014
    2,736
    Florida
    Full Name:
    Nils johnsen
    My personal liking are the black seams. Not a big fan of trying to hide panel joints,when in fact they are nice and streight,and a part of the overall design.(run in to this issue now and then in the company)
     
  4. joe sackey

    joe sackey Five Time F1 World Champ

    May 23, 2006
    57,525
    Southern California
    Full Name:
    Joe Sackey
    Each to their own, this is why options existed
     
  5. joe sackey

    joe sackey Five Time F1 World Champ

    May 23, 2006
    57,525
    Southern California
    Full Name:
    Joe Sackey
    #2780 joe sackey, Apr 29, 2016
    Last edited by a moderator: Sep 7, 2017
    Testing of the venerable quattrovalvole Downdraft engine commenced as early as 1983 under the auspices of Alfieri, at places such as Nardo where this Monospecchio Muletta is shown
    Image Unavailable, Please Login
     
  6. joe sackey

    joe sackey Five Time F1 World Champ

    May 23, 2006
    57,525
    Southern California
    Full Name:
    Joe Sackey
    #2781 joe sackey, Apr 29, 2016
    Last edited by a moderator: Sep 7, 2017
  7. joe sackey

    joe sackey Five Time F1 World Champ

    May 23, 2006
    57,525
    Southern California
    Full Name:
    Joe Sackey
    #2782 joe sackey, Apr 29, 2016
    Last edited by a moderator: Sep 7, 2017
    JB when you get GLA12942 it is my hope you come on here and recount your experiences with Vale, and with driving the car.

    As we spoke, I just sold my personal F40 to a famed Indycar race driver and I am even more excited to extol the virtues and wax lyrical about a Downdraft, to be its stablemate. There too, I'll elicit feedback about the experience to be shared with all, hopefully to our collective benefit
    Image Unavailable, Please Login
    Image Unavailable, Please Login
     
  8. joe sackey

    joe sackey Five Time F1 World Champ

    May 23, 2006
    57,525
    Southern California
    Full Name:
    Joe Sackey
    #2783 joe sackey, Apr 29, 2016
    Last edited by a moderator: Sep 7, 2017
  9. islandguy

    islandguy Formula 3
    Silver Subscribed

    Jun 12, 2007
    1,439
    Northern CA & NV
    #2784 islandguy, Apr 29, 2016
    Last edited by a moderator: Sep 7, 2017
    Nice too but there’s nothing like bare single trumpets as on many Miura’s. Given that I spend countless weekend mornings walking around the garage taking in the sites I'm not too worried about performance on the CT.

    Must say that one of the best looking CT engine bays is your side draft:
    Image Unavailable, Please Login
     
  10. islandguy

    islandguy Formula 3
    Silver Subscribed

    Jun 12, 2007
    1,439
    Northern CA & NV
    Is this only for non-skirted cars? I ask because after countless threads on caulking I was under the impression that there’s no clear answer on black vs white caulking on white.
     
  11. joe sackey

    joe sackey Five Time F1 World Champ

    May 23, 2006
    57,525
    Southern California
    Full Name:
    Joe Sackey
    Awesome, I took that image when I owned it @ 20 years ago, I had that engine bay minty, I'm easy, I like them all!
     
  12. joe sackey

    joe sackey Five Time F1 World Champ

    May 23, 2006
    57,525
    Southern California
    Full Name:
    Joe Sackey
    White caulking was available for any white QV from 1985 to 1988. You could also have black caulking. I suspect if you said nothing, you got black caulking which is more prolific. All the white-caulking cars I know of (such as Hiunghaus' car) were collected at the factory, so were likely special ordered. Essentially, you could have the caulking either black or white on a white car. Of course, many people didn't even know the option existed at the time they were in production, and clearly, all these years later, some still don't know!

    Here is a skirted car http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/144654411-post2773.html, there are others I know of also.

    As for which is better or preferable, that's purely personal. I suspect most owners will tell you they like what's on their car!
     
  13. roytoy2003

    roytoy2003 F1 Veteran

    Jul 30, 2004
    9,591
    Full Name:
    Roy L. Cats
    #2788 roytoy2003, Apr 29, 2016
    Last edited by a moderator: Sep 7, 2017
    I did not know this, learn something new every day...I must say, at least IMO, it looks better in White...have to see one with Black to compare...here is the 1988 low mile one I just got in....looks great in White...
    Image Unavailable, Please Login
     
  14. joe sackey

    joe sackey Five Time F1 World Champ

    May 23, 2006
    57,525
    Southern California
    Full Name:
    Joe Sackey
    #2789 joe sackey, Apr 29, 2016
    Last edited by a moderator: Sep 7, 2017
    To answer more directly, here is a well-known RHD 88.5 Downdraft delivered with white caulking.

    When the cars were new, I barely noticed this.
    Image Unavailable, Please Login
     
  15. joe sackey

    joe sackey Five Time F1 World Champ

    May 23, 2006
    57,525
    Southern California
    Full Name:
    Joe Sackey
    #2790 joe sackey, Apr 29, 2016
    Last edited by a moderator: Sep 7, 2017
  16. joe sackey

    joe sackey Five Time F1 World Champ

    May 23, 2006
    57,525
    Southern California
    Full Name:
    Joe Sackey
    #2791 joe sackey, Apr 29, 2016
    Last edited by a moderator: Sep 7, 2017
    And of course how can we forget the famed EE.481.AK Downdraft imaged in front of the old factory circa 1987, in repose with white caulking
    Image Unavailable, Please Login
     
  17. joe sackey

    joe sackey Five Time F1 World Champ

    May 23, 2006
    57,525
    Southern California
    Full Name:
    Joe Sackey
    That's why this thread exists!
     
  18. joe sackey

    joe sackey Five Time F1 World Champ

    May 23, 2006
    57,525
    Southern California
    Full Name:
    Joe Sackey
    #2793 joe sackey, Apr 29, 2016
    Last edited by a moderator: Sep 7, 2017
    Factory Launch Brochure image for the Downdraft given out @ Geneva 1985, white with black caulking.

    I must say: I really don't have a preference one way or the other, my thing is simply imparting or sharing hitherto not-widely-known information, that's all.
    Image Unavailable, Please Login
     
  19. joe sackey

    joe sackey Five Time F1 World Champ

    May 23, 2006
    57,525
    Southern California
    Full Name:
    Joe Sackey
    #2794 joe sackey, Apr 29, 2016
    Last edited by a moderator: Sep 7, 2017
  20. islandguy

    islandguy Formula 3
    Silver Subscribed

    Jun 12, 2007
    1,439
    Northern CA & NV
    #2795 islandguy, Apr 29, 2016
    Last edited by a moderator: Sep 7, 2017
    Great information Joe. Just recently having this done I struggled with the decision. The contrast of black on white looks great, while white on white to my eyes is more true to the lines of the car. Having it done right takes a lot of patience, finesse, and time by someone who knows what they're doing. Bottom line I like them both but chose white in the end (the way it was when I got it).

    Below is the car that made me consider black:
    Image Unavailable, Please Login
     
  21. Roman's 88.5 (fuel injected) has white caulking.
     
  22. joe sackey

    joe sackey Five Time F1 World Champ

    May 23, 2006
    57,525
    Southern California
    Full Name:
    Joe Sackey
    This car exhibits the other issue we were talking about http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/144654315-post2769.html where a car is repainted and the painter does not bother to finish the sill with blackout
     
  23. joe sackey

    joe sackey Five Time F1 World Champ

    May 23, 2006
    57,525
    Southern California
    Full Name:
    Joe Sackey
    #2798 joe sackey, Apr 30, 2016
    Last edited by a moderator: Sep 7, 2017
    Indeed, when looking out for white caulking, you notice more & more cars with it
    Image Unavailable, Please Login
     
  24. joe sackey

    joe sackey Five Time F1 World Champ

    May 23, 2006
    57,525
    Southern California
    Full Name:
    Joe Sackey
    #2799 joe sackey, Apr 30, 2016
    Last edited by a moderator: Sep 7, 2017
  25. joe sackey

    joe sackey Five Time F1 World Champ

    May 23, 2006
    57,525
    Southern California
    Full Name:
    Joe Sackey
    #2800 joe sackey, Apr 30, 2016
    Last edited by a moderator: Sep 7, 2017
    I forgot to mention that after a repaint one should feel free to do whatever because unlike the basic paint & leather colors, I doubt the factory ever recorded what caulking color was used. Unless a car is renowned for having it from new, such as Hinghaus' single-owner original car below, it doesn't matter too much
    Image Unavailable, Please Login
     

Share This Page