Did you get yours from Raymond?thanks
The only reason any carbureted Countach from LP400 to 25th Annivesario will not start up at first crank is if it is not properly-maintained, but this is true of fuel-injected cars also, ask me how I know. In fact, with the cars generally being over 30 years and with resultant deteriorating fuel systems, in case of equally poorly-maintained cars, you are more likely to be able to get the carbureted car going yourself, whereas with the fuel-injected car, you may have to call the tow-truck. This is exactly what Jay Leno was talking about. The ability to precisely refurbish simpler carburetors over time is a maintenance asset. Agreed, electronic ignition is key wether the car is carbureted or fuel-injected. Conversely, this year alone I have been approached by multiple prominent car collectors hitherto unknown to me and certainly not influenced by myself, and each time their voluntarily preferred and explicitly defined purchase parameters can be described with one word: carburetors. That said, if I am being consulted for my opinion, I do recommend carbs, but not necessarily confined to Downdraft, it may be anything from LP400 to 25th. Why is Ellagirl in the Downdraft thread? FWIW I'm here because I have useful technical & historical infirmation to impart that may actually be helpful to Fuelie owners. Meanwhile the Downdraft thread contains no manipulation whatsoever, it simply as an appreciation thread that highlights what is special about the variant with great images,excellent illustrations, exclusive technical material, historic infirmation, and VIN registry content. That thread is the best resource for the variant anywhere in the world, and given the fact that the Downdraft was the Lamborghini factory's pure performance version of the QV, it's more powerful, and more valuable, that's reason for the thread's existence. If on the other hand the Downdraft thread is seen as just pure advertising, that's cool, one of Patrick's fun billboards comes to mind Image Unavailable, Please Login
No.. mine was actually installed by previous owner.. the system is ElectroMotive. They have been great.. i was chasing an issue, removed the coil packs (2) and they tested them for free. Couldn't believe it. Coil packs and a simple cogged wheel on the crank and 2 electric magnets really is all it is. I will post a pic
Good thread on this https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/threads/countach-distributor-5000s.431687/ including your posts with useful links http://www.dinoplex.org/ & http://www.countach.ch/MSD.html and more besides
I have had this discussion more than once, Pine Chris car with Tubular exhaust,and 150 lbs lost in US bumpers,wil beat Joes carbed car,wich also have modified exhaust.lets get the betting going.can not wait to see this showdown, all fun and games, buy what you like, drive and enjoy,
I took my carbed car out Sat. Unfortunately we have had major road construction for the last 2 months. It has sat on a lift for the entire time. Fired on the first crank btw (get fuel pressure up, pump the gas twice & turn the key) & went on a great ride. That thing seriously howls. MSD setup, K&N filters, stainless Ansa exhaust with ceramic coated headers (coated inside as well) & of course 6 of the biggest carbs ever fitted by Lamborghini. Still, my neighbors Tesla is faster, as is the one with the Hellcat, I just look cooler, or at least think I do, though, lol. On a more serious note everyone should look for more common ground. There really is just a handful built, and even less that are driven. Enjoy the bench racing, but be the better man & not let little comments get under your skin. This really is just for fun.
Rest assured Joey.. no doubt you look cooler.. and countach allure, draw, curiosity, whatever IT is just never seems to die.. those other cars you mentioned will both be unloved in 5 years and in the junkyard in 10 most likely.
No, he didn't, I sold my setup only in Europe, since based in US you can buy everything locally. Makes no sense to ship US ignition components to Europe just to sent them back with wiring and mounting plate.
Funny that my posts are edited in Sackeys favor again. Odd, he can tell Fuelie owners that they must wish they bought a DD, but you certainly cannot say vice versa to him. In the DD thread he noted repeatedly that people like Ellagirl, myself and others should not participate in the thread as we don't own one. Now he is here spewing his usual rhetoric. Sponsorship money must be very important. As for Electromotive, I agree it works very well. On my first Countach we converted it entirely to their electronic fuel injection and distributor-less ignition.
And pigs can fly Seriously, I do respect Fuel-injection for utilitarian use, but I have a contrarian view to yours, which I'll try to explain in a thoughtful & measured way. 150 lbs saved by the deletion of US bumpers still makes a Fuelie heavier than a Downdraft based on the heavier engine unit & ancillaries of the Fuelie. Have you ever weighed their respective engine units & ancillaries? A factory blueprinted Downdraft would have such an unfair advantage over a Fuelie as to make the comparison both redundant & unnecessary, because it'd be no competition at all. A standard Downdraft would walk away from a standard Fuelie. There are a number of reasons for this. Lamborghini’s 6 vertical twin-barrel (44 DCNF) Weber Carburetor engine (Carburatori Motore Tipo L 507 V4) was the pinnacle of Countach performance engines during the legendary sports car’s 14-year production at Sant Agata, indisputable fact. The factory only developed a Fuel-Injected engine specifically to allow the Countach to be revised to meet USA EPA emissions mandates thus allowing Lamborghini to distribute cars to North America and keep their USA market share, and it's power is naturally restricted and it's performance reduced. Speak to anyone from the CEO down to the engineers and to a man they will confirm that the factory’s position was that the Fuel-Injected engine was the emissions engine, whilst the Carbureted engine was the performance engine, which explains the latter's performance superiority. Bear in mind that 30 years later, the fragile Bosch fuel-injection systems employed in the USA Fuelies do not perform at anywhere near optimum, and for this reason I'd warrant that a Fuelie today would barely make it past 150 mph. A properly tuned standard Downdraft on the other hand with Weber carbs optimized will do 180 mph if road conditions allowed. Lets not conveniently forget, the engine unit used for the Carbureted cars contained higher-compression ratio pistons and more aggressively lobed camshafts, this been photographically documented and calibrated by various specialists during rebuilds post-production, and the factory’s own parts manual documents separate parts numbers for the higher-performance pistons and camshafts in the carbureted engine unit as evidence. Downdrafts camshafts are part numbers: 1220848, 1220847, 1220845, 1220846 Fuelie camshafts are part numbers: 1221851, 1221852, 1221871, 1221872 Downdraft pistons are part numbers: 001420801 producing a 9.5 : 1 compression ratio Fuelie pistons are part numbers: 001420828 producing a 9.3 : 1 compression ratio I suggest that anyone who has any doubts about the differences should procure them and determine for themselves! Factory Chief Engineer Luigi Marmiroli has confirmed that standard units built by the factory are confirmed as 455 bhp, versus @ 420 bhp claimed for the Fuel-Injected engine (the factory’s tuning package for Carbureted engines allowed for a sports camshaft, bigger jets, carburetor spacers and air-flow optimization, the latter meaning that cars could be tuned to achieve 470 bhp plus). The delivery of power and resultant performance is directly affected by induction. Induction for the Downdraft is vastly superior to that of the Fuelie as the route the air takes from the intake trumpets of the six Weber 44DCNF carbs into the combustion chambers is a short and relatively straight column that is only @ 12 inches. This is the main reason why the throttle response and performance of the Downdraft is superior to that of the Fuelie. With a Fuelie engine, the path the air has to take into the combustion chamber is much longer as it has to turn 180 degrees. With the Downdraft, the throttle plates are right there in the carb throats whereas the Fuelie system has two large butterflies where the flexible hoses meet the air plenum. As such, the Downdraft engine has venturi of air pulling from that air on top of the carbs in the air box as a high flow direct path into the combustion chamber. Translation, superior performance. But this should harldly be surprising as the Fuelie engine's less potent specification is all about emissions. The lower compression ratio produces lower peak cylinder pressures to reduce NOX emissions. The cams have less overlap to prevent the exhaust from over-scavenging the cylinder at the end of the exhaust stroke to reduce hydrocarbon emissions. Milder cams in general make it easier to minimize carbon monoxide and hydrocarbon emissions. Fuel injection can be manipulated more easily than carbs with a view to improving emissions but the tradeoff is that the Fuelie cars with lower compression pistons generate lower torque ratings and therefore have a lower power output. In-period testing by both the factory and independent testing entities conclusively shows the carbureted engine unit as being significantly more powerful. Bottom-line, you simply will never make up the power and performance shortfall between the Fuelie and the Downdraft by means of a sport exhaust system, as some Fuelie owners continuously erroneously suggest is possible. There is one way and one way only that a Fuelie will keep up with a Downdraft - if you put a Downdraft engine in it. In conclusion, a better challenge for the Fuelie would be the fuel-injected Ferrari 512 BBi or Testarossa, both of which I think are actually faster. Agreed, I say smile and enjoy whatever car you have
I really didn't spend much time going over the posts. I was doing it while watching the final season of Ozark on Netflix. The get lost comment is your reason for the removal, not the rest of the post. Stick to the point & not type a get lost (like) comment. Make my job easier & keep your post.
Joe. You have to stop trying to explain these things. ,1 in compression. Equals 2 hp if that. The gain in hp the lighter piston is greater and makes for a more rev happy engine. The camspecs ar not better or worse. Just simply adapted to each variants induction system. Lamborghini put tons ow wirk inn to the qv. in order to satisfie very imprtant markets. The subtle changes done in cams and compression made this possible. No better no worse. Just fitting for the said application. It is in fact very imressive the engine made 420 with the loss of tubular headers and the add of cats. They must have worked very hard to do this. (We buildt 100 or so motors back in the mid late 2000 i i can assure you. Add tubular headers to any 4-500 hp motor. You will gain 20-40 hp ask anybody in this field. Long story short the qv is an amazing engine. And anybody with some good tec knowledge understands the brilliance of of its uniqness. It happened to be delivered in two differen induction variants. Carbs and fi boths great one handicapped by EPA rules. But now 30 years later. An easy fix. Al actually poss with Lamporghini original parts. Lets stop bashing the opposition . We all read your amizing positive promotion of the fueli anni car you sold back a while ago. Also your comment reg the comparo to a TR. I am the man in that field. I drove one for 3 years. Every day to work. Great car. But not a chance in performance and explosivness to my QV. my 01 Diablo 6,0 is another story very powerful. Also your bbi comparo was interesting. I actually drove a carbed bb back to back with my qv , Qv much guicker responsive wild if you like. There must be some big misinformation out there. Unless i ended up with a abnormally fast specimen. Wich i doubt. Beeing my exhast is stock with exeption of empty cats and smog pump removal. Joe i like your car. Actually i love it. One of the nicest ones i have seen. But be professional and humble. Our cars where buildt side by side. Just for different zip codes. 4valves v12 of Italian machinery.
Please you two. Give it a rest. The Downdraft is the preferred model by the market. It’s worth nearly double and has better performance. At the same price point, it would take the odd person to chose the fuel injection. That said, they are not the same price. The Downdraft is nearly double. With the appendage modifications removed and corrected the FI and Downdraft models are not very different. The FI model is easier to live with, and value dollar for dollar, I see people chosing the FI. So, both have pluses and minuses. I have both for this reason. Stop the BS bickering. It’s old, its obvious bias. I’d ask the moderators to watch this thread. Ellsgirl please refrain from going into the Downdraft thread with your put downs and Joe please refrain from doing the same. Both of you are just throwing **** on each other. Please read my OP that started this thread . Both cars have pluses and minuses, and they are not that different. Joe started the Downdraft thread to appreciate that model. I started the FI to appreciate the FI model. Stop the Dick measuring,
Understood. Perhaps one day we get 2 of each variant and for fun. Make a run for it. Real world. Thanks for your common sense post
we just need to get one example of each in as factory condition and put them on the same dyno on the same day.
Spare us your crocodile tears, as the English like to say, all mouth and no trousers, you make blatantly insulting remarks then you cry when they are deleted? If you’re so unhappy here why not start your own Lamborghini site? Oh wait, never mind Cmon, have a sense of humor, but remember anytime you make statements like “you can keep your carbs” anyone responding can be forgiven for their sentiments! Regarding posting here, perhaps you missed your buddy Ellagirl’s continued posting in the Downdraft thread insulting people as recently as yesterday with “are you for real?” comments. By the way the real issue is not posting in separate threads, it's simply being polite, positive and providing useful content wherever you post, I'm certainly down for that if everyone else is. Meanwhile smile, and don’t forget vote! Great show! Happy to follow your example Great idea!
Okayyyy.. .. well, to finish my boring little story. That picture just shows one set of the coils obviously. The other set is mounted on the other side.. both are under their respective louvre vent. The problem turned out to be my ignition wires! Just got old and wore out.. I learned a lot, like the fact that wires are supposed to have a lot of resistance ..using a multi meter I checked them first because I thought low resistance was good so mistakenly ruled them out.
These cars used to be fast.. and garnished respect for being rare, exotic, special. The quintessential Italian spirit only they can design with spirit. Now the soccer mom next door has a Elon musk thingy.. pretty sure it’s faster.. or my brother in law with a 911 turbo S (0-60 in 2.5seconds) if you prefer- so rightfully they aren’t “fast” anymore.. their time for that has passed.. now they perform “well” and are fun, but the important things still remain. Rare, exotic, special and have (and bring out) Passion! Like it or not, we are all in the same family now.. bickering brothers, but the same family nonetheless.. tell me, do you TRULY think someone who is not an owner can fully relate to you in regards to THIS CAR? Less than 2,000 of us REALLY know what it’s all about. Like? not necessary.. Respect? some should be given.
I have not read Ellagirls comments in the DD section as I no longer visit that section to read about the Sackey love fest.
