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  1. joe sackey

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    #4351 joe sackey, Nov 9, 2009
    Thanks Lars-Erik, I basically agree with you, but Im sticking with my point that the 'privateer' conversions such as that done upon 1120022 had slightly different dimensions, and ultimately this affects the car's stance, and handling.
     
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    #4352 joe sackey, Nov 9, 2009
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    My son sent me this last night. Not sure which publication it is for other than the fact that it is current and features the RHD 1120274 and Stephen W in England.
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    #4353 Lel, Nov 9, 2009
    Joe!

    Could be that a 'privateer' conversion can affect a car's stance and handling, but in what direction?
    My guess is still that the conversion on 1120022 was made at the factory.

    I've heard that you could buy a 'S' kit for your LP400 from the factory. Do you know what was included?

    Regards
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    #4354 doberman, Nov 9, 2009
    That lp400 looks good in orange, It looks good in yellow, It even looks good in green so is there any color the lp400 doesn't look good in?
     
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    #4355 joe sackey, Nov 9, 2009
    Yes, in the early 1980s anyone could buy the Bravo wheels, flares & suspension bits and get to work on their LP400.

    I'm certain 1120022 was not converted by the works. I have some pretty detailed images of the interior, the flares etc, and I am sure that was not done by the factory! At any rate, its back to LP400 now, and that is what matters...
     
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    #4356 joe sackey, Nov 9, 2009
    I checked my notes and they say this car was converted by a German dealer in Germany.
     
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    #4358 Downdraft1, Nov 9, 2009
    Hey! I took that picture back in the early 1980's in Wiesbaden ILOC event!

    Alex
     
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    #4359 SMS, Nov 9, 2009
    Great!

    Did you then also take the famous same event photos that have the cars in front of a jewlery store? (pic in this thread someplace also)
     
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    #4360 SMS, Nov 9, 2009
    Here is the story:

    http://www.insideline.com/lamborghini/1975-lamborghini-countach-lp400-vs-1982-ferrari-512i-berlinetta-boxer.html

    Teaser from story:
    The steering is alive, and when you dive into the corners the Countach feels planted in a reassuring way that minimizes body roll. And for us this is a blessed relief, because it all confirms that the stream of superlatives associated with stories about driving the Countach during the 1970s was completely justified.
     
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    #4361 joe sackey, Nov 9, 2009
    The funny thing is I saw this same car in London in the early 80s also!
     
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    #4362 IsleroMan, Nov 9, 2009
    Those look just like my lower links. Stupid POs.
     
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    Boy Joe you really know how to push my buttons with that orange LP400. Interesting to note how the headliner is sagging. Seems strange to not have that addressed.
     
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    #4364 joe sackey, Nov 9, 2009
    This car is kept as a 'survivor' LP400 and it is much-used also (as the worn-through pedal pads in the next pic attest).
     
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    #4365 2NA, Nov 9, 2009
    He probably doesn't spend much time looking "up". ;)
     
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    #4366 posteriore140, Nov 10, 2009
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    Lars,
    You are right. 1120022 being converted at the factory.
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    #4367 raymondQV, Nov 10, 2009
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    Hi,

    I just got a call from a friend, he's the one who bought the white QV GLA12932 we wrote recently, he also bought GLA12901, both from USA.
    He has now the problem that the US title has only the issue date, but he should know the first registration date.
    Any hints where he could get this information from?
     
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    #4369 Lel, Nov 10, 2009
    Thanks!

    L-E
     
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    #4371 joe sackey, Nov 10, 2009
    Posteriore140:

    I have this image also. I'm afraid it proves exactly nothing. Other than a dark Countach at what appears to be the factory. If you wish to suggest that this car was a factory conversion (not that most care whether it was or it wasn't), please proffer something a little more substantial, along the lines of date-coded documentary proof, images of the work being done to include chassis number identification plates etc.
     
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    I doubt any other car could pull it off in that color like an LP400 does!

    Beautiful
     
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    #4374 joe sackey, Nov 10, 2009
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    Hmmm.

    Seems posteriore140 not only confirms my notes that 1120022 was retrofitted in Germany NOT by the factory, but, here is posteriore140 clearly suggesting that the wheel arches on 1120022 do not look correct, and are "retrofit parts". Quite a departure from his suggestion today with the use of a grainy image that this controversial Countach was modified by the factory. The same image comparos provided by posteriore140 himself as duplicated below with posteriore140's markings in this earlier post on this very thread showing the difference between Wolf's factory-built 1120202 and 1120022's privateer modified wheel arches put the matter to rest in my mind - if I had any doubts, now I have none - 1120022 was a privateer modified LP400, and my notes will remain so till I see proof otherwise. For all its random application recently discussed, the factory had a certain production consistency with bodywork application, whih in this case would have been carried out by the same team of people under the supervision of the same foreman.

    Just to remain objective, I am always willing to change my notes if I see irrefutable documentary or photographic proof one way or another.
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    #4375 joe sackey, Nov 10, 2009
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    1120022 at Hockenheim in 1984.

    Look at the car's stance and you can immediately see that the rear track is smaller than that of the true factory cars (Wolf's, Silvera's Spazzapan's etc), and accordingly it doesn't even fill in the wheel arch as the others do, and thats evident by the naked eye.

    Look at that exhaust, and the way it is mounted so poorly, hanging down with the tips way below their normal extrusion points at the rear valance.

    You don't see this type of poor workmanship and ad lib application with ANY of the factory cars.

    Further, this car was offered to LC3929 at one point (he passed, wisely so) for just 50,000 Euros. I submit that a Wolf-type car built by the factory, with factory provenance and papers would NEVER be offered so cheap under any circumstances.

    NOT a factory conversion...
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