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Countach, the ultimate supercar

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  1. em42

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    #20001 em42, Oct 24, 2014
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    The picture was taken at Schloss Bensberg. And indeed the lenses were a bit dark as can be seen on other pictures taken the same weekend. I have heard that the car went through a partial restoration, so it might be an "addition" made during that process.
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  2. DennisForza

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    Needs a red boat. ;)
    Pretty awesome shot!
     
  3. em42

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    Also note that the front bonnet is now a bit recessed with respect with the old configuration. It is now in line with the rest of the bodywork. Certainly another "addition".
     
  4. joe sackey

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    Agreed, and I have been waiting 10 years for the front bumper to be repainted in satin silver!
     
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    It really puzzles (and saddens) me that they can't get it right. Would love to see it in the original red livery as well, but that's a bit too much to ask.
     
  6. em42

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    The green livery is also part of its life, so to my mind it is not a blasphemy to keep it like that.
     
  7. raymondQV

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    This was a development car which went through diverse stages, the green is simply the last one.

    I find it more disturbing that WW's famous golden Miura SV is still painted in this ugly yellow.
     
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    I told WW this 12 years ago and he was sorry to hear it.
     
  10. Peter K.

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    It's Lamborghini.......they can do whatever they want.
     
  11. Peter K.

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    And Lamborghini is telling us that it still is.
     
  12. joe sackey

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    Not really.

    The Countach LP400 Prototipo (and the ex-Wolf Miura SV 5092) belong to Museo Lamborghini, and by its very purpose, a Museum is "an institution that cares for (conserves) a collection of artifacts and other objects of scientific, artistic, cultural, or historical importance and makes them available for public viewing through exhibits that may be permanent or temporary".

    That said, there is no license to do "whatever they want" with Museum cars. This would just make them come across as an entity that does not care about the original guise of the artifacts (cars) that they have, or ignorant to what they should be.

    Speaking of original guise, in the case of the Miura SV, raymondQV's point is very well made, because the factory has published that the car was restored, yet, restoration by its very nature is an act of "returning to its original guise", and by changing the main component of the car (the color), a modification and not a restoration, has been performed, IMVHO.

    The LP400 Prototipo was indeed a development car that went through several guises. In both its first and its final green guise, it existed with the silver bumper, and since they have elected to keep the car in its green guise, one can be forgiven for expecting such a simple detail to be rectified! The fact that they haven't bothered to do this in over a decade speaks volumes. No, I don't think they are telling us that it is still a development car (it clearly is not), I think they are telling us they simply don't care, or don't know. One thought crossed my mind and it is that perhaps it might be something as simple as somebody pointing this out to the Museo's curator. I know that when it was pointed out that the Miura SV was shod with a P400 passenger-side front wheel for years, they did something about it and replaced it with an SV front wheel! Perhaps somebody just needs to say something.
     
  13. raymondQV

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    It's even simpler, there is no Money for the Museum left to restore the LP400 thoroughly nor to repaint the SV in it's original Color.
    Not that lamborghini has no Money, there is simply no Budget for the musuem what is very sad.
     
  14. Olivier NAMECHE

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    I confirm your comment, there is no money devoted for the Museo.

    BUT they know everything, I can confirm, having shared hours of talk !

    There is no curator for the Museo.

    There is one manager in charge of the Museo without any power, he is responsible if something happend in the Museo that's all.

    He has to report to several managers ahead of him in hierarchy.

    There is a media manager I met several time who is in charge to connect everybody.

    For instance, tuning & preparing cars for journalists' request will depend from After sales.

    Agenda for journalist will concern Public Relation dpt and sub Dpt Press.

    Same for event to attempt, and so on...
     
  15. Countachqv

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    This is surprising to say the least. The mueso is the legacy of the factory.

    A mod to original car by the factory is interesting thou. Let's say a famous painter comes back to life and modify a master piece? what then?
    I guess in this case the people who made the mod are not the same as the original designers although the factory remains (albeit 1/2 german).
    I would be ok if the original players made the mod, not the following crew.
     
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    I was going thru files on my PC and came across this, from a couple years ago. Real life pictures of Countach caravaning is becoming a rare sight.
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  17. Not surprising to me. I don't think they cared the least bit for the old stuff. Audi bought a high end badge, and did not want anything to do with the old stuff. Remember when they got out of the parts business for anything pre Audi? Why on earth would they not make something simple like a ecm (the computer) for a Diablo?
     
  18. Downdraft1

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    I know for a fact that during the Chrysler era around year's end they destroyed many spares of old cars just so no tax would be paid to the Italian government for the stocked warehouse parts. I remember that they gave a worker a hammer and all the old gauges of the pre Diablo cars – for one week he smashed them one by one and dumped them into a waste bin. Today they are NLA. Then, when the Euro was introduced Audi changed the price list from 1,000 Italian lira to 1 Euro (basically doubling the spare parts prices overnight). I agree that Lamborghini from Chrysler onwards never did care about older cars or the owners of the older cars – they just want to sell the new models. The funny thing now is that the old ones are worth more than the brand new ones
     
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    That is just heart breaking to read! All those parts! The horror!
     
  20. joe sackey

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    Exactly.
     
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    Completely disagree with this notion, and in this case its a terrible analogy, which inadvertently underscores the point I made earlier even better! If an artist took his old painting, and modified it (changing the colors for example), then the original painting no longer exists.
     
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    #20023 djs308, Oct 25, 2014
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    Sorry it's a couple of weeks (and pages in this thread) later, but I took these photos at the show.

    As mentioned previously, that white Anniversary "Countach" (not shown in these photos) was definitely suspect. It immediately set off my "authenticity" red flag. I was curious how it got into the show as it clearly (to me, anyway) wasn't the real deal. Nasty crack in the windshield too...
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  24. Ray G

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    That might be my old white CT! If so it was cleaner when I had it and i didn't add that extra mirror on the passenger side. I only think it might be mine because I was one of the few who kept the bumper.
     
  25. Countachqv

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    I am not saying this mod is ok because it is done by the factory. Also agreed that the original dont exist anymore which is a disturbing thought.

    I am just saying that is an interesting thinking exercise because while an old original is no longer a new original has been created. In the absolute, if the original creator modified it then there is no good or bad, just a change is something very rare.

    In this case it can be argued because the mods could be an oversight or a cost saving endeavor but what if such a change would have been blessed by M. Gandini?
     

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