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Crosswind landing A 380

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  1. Ferrari_250tdf

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  2. NürScud

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  3. mike01606

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    I guess that's the aeronautical equivalent of a "tank slapper".

    Looked very scary indeed....pilot induced after the initial touch down?


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  4. Dicecal

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    Fly Emirates, NOT!
     
  5. energy88

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    Looks like the tail kicked out about 30 degrees to the right upon landing and the pilot was able to realign with the runway. For those pilots out there, what would be the maximum displacement of the tail beyond which it is not possible to regain control of the aircraft?
     
  6. teak360

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    It looks like the pilot was a little behind on his rudder inputs.
    The passengers now have an idea what the esses at Circuit of the Americas feel like
    in a race car.
     
  7. tritone

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    Alright; we need some experienced input here......looks scary....looks like a 'good save'.......commenters are divided betw. "good save" and "send him back to the sim"....
    Where is the reality? (TIA)
     
  8. BMW.SauberF1Team

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    I'm not a pilot, but that looks completely off from other crosswind landings I've seen widebodies make.
     
  9. donv

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    First of all, Emirates is a fine carrier. I would have no problem flying on them myself, or sending my family on them.

    It looks like a very windy, very gusty day. In the second half of the video, you can see the airplane on final from another angle, and it's bouncing around quite a bit-- and that's an A-380!

    It looked to me like he kicked it straight in the flare, as he should, and then there was a gust, or more accurately the lack of a gust, which caused him to inadvertently overcontrol. From there, it was a bit of pilot induced oscillation, until they got it under control. Was it perfect? No, but a safe job on a challenging day.

    I don't fly big airplanes like that, though, so I'd be interested in hearing what Lou has to say.
     
  10. spicedriver

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    That guy almost lost it. Should have had more air speed, and put her down harder.
     
  11. 400GT4doors

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    My question is: Why to assume the risk of landing with those wind conditions? Why the pilots didn't go to a safer weather conditions airport?
     
  12. BMW.SauberF1Team

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    Commercial airliners are tested and made to land in crosswind conditions as these so it's not high risk. It's up to the pilot to have the skill set to land safely in those conditions. Landing at another airport is not easy or cheap. For the A380, there are very few airports made to handle them (see the recent emergency landing A380 due to the engine failure). Not to mention the added costs of getting the plane back to its proper airport and passengers off then on (and missing connections at that airport and subsequent for new passengers due to diversion).

    It would need a hurricane to shut the airport down like what happened recently in FL for Hurricane Irma.
     
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  13. mike01606

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    It was a very stormy day. I was on the mainland that day and the news channels were showing quite a bit of storm damage.


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  14. ducrob

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    Would the landing gear have to be crack tested after or is it designed to survive shear? That looked like it could have damaged parts.
     
  15. donv

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    There are limitations, and presumably the conditions at that airport were inside those limitations. If so, they should have been able to land safely (and they did), and if not they should have gone elsewhere. I have not heard that they were exceeding the limitations, but I guess it's possible.

    And, limitations are based on the information you have at the time-- if it's right at the limit (based on a report 5 minutes old) and the wind picks up, there isn't any good way to know that.

     
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  16. vinuneuro

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    Would be interesting to see how autopilot would perform in such conditions.
     
  17. jcurry

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    There are design load conditions for 'drift landings'. But like every other load condition they are based on a set of specific parameters. If those parameters are exceeded then inspections may be required.
     

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