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  1. eulk328

    eulk328 F1 Rookie

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    Does anyone know if there is some technical reason to use copper crush washers at some locations on our cars (and other cars) and aluminum crush washers on other parts?? I know that copper is more expensive and that the copper washers can be re-heated and re-used with some success but why the mix? Are there any specific applications where one would be chosen over the other?
     
  2. Steve Magnusson

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    I agree that it does seem pretty random, but, if you look up the properties, you'll see that annealed Cu materials have more elongation at break (ductility), 40~60%, versus the full-soft Aluminum materials, 20~30%, at the same yield strengths (say 10~14 ksi). The most ductlie Aluminum material is maybe ~40% elongation max, but the yield strength is way down (~4 ksi). This implies that the "sealability" of the Cu (the ability to absorb the irregularities) is better at the same strength. On the Honda and Subaru that I've owned, I've noted that they use Aluminum washers everywhere except for the fuel line and brake line connections. On the F, I can't recall any Alum washers being used, but if the sealing surfaces are parallel and in good shape I doubt that you'd ever have a problem on a low-pressure connection with the Alum (but I wouldn't substitute Alum for the Cu on a high-pressure fuel connection or the brakes).

    In some very specialized uses, you might need the better electrical and thermal conductivity of the Cu material. The Cu also has somewhat better general corrosion resistance, but the particular galvonic situation might also be a reason to pick one over the other.

    Do you have some Alum washers in use on your F?
     
  3. eulk328

    eulk328 F1 Rookie

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    Thanks for the reply Steve.

    There's an alu. ring (quite thin) on the oil pressure switch (for the idiot light). I don't know about the oil pressure sender as I did not unscrew it. On my Saab they use Alu. on the oil sump plug and the gearbox plug. I guess I would always prefer copper since there is the possibility to re-heat it if you can't easily get a new one.

    Maybe they used Alu. on the pressure switch because it's almost never removed. On the thermostat bleeder screw they use copper since it is loosened and tightened now and then.


     
  4. gabriel

    gabriel Formula 3

    Or maybe they use aluminum on areas where it doesn't create an electrolysis problem.
    Is your block Al?
     
  5. eulk328

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    On the Saab they're used on alu. and steel locations. The 328 is all alu.

     

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