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Crystal Cove, Message From NBPD

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  1. Marc G

    Marc G Karting

    Feb 22, 2004
    67
    Costa Mesa, CA
    Dear Marc Greeley/Ned Evans,

    I wanted to again thank you both for your time and your cooperation. By all
    working together on the issue at hand, I'm convinced we can come to a
    logical resolution.

    Below is an electronic copy of the handout for your use on the website or
    E-mail purposes.



    The City of Newport Beach is pleased to have this opportunity to communicate
    with you and your club members regarding your weekly meetings in the Crystal
    Cove Promenade area. That being said, there are a few State and Local
    Ordinances which the City of Newport Beach requests that you and your
    members comply with. Copies of the sections are printed below for your
    information. One of the Police Department's concerns is the practice of
    lining up while along Coast Highway, in violation of the "Posted No Parking"
    signs, and into the Bicycle Lane for westbound Coast Highway. This bulletin
    has been provided as an educational endeavor as we ask for your compliance
    with the ordinances in lieu of enforcement. Future violations may result in
    citations or other action.
    City of Newport Beach Municipal Code
    12.12.010 Parking.
    A. Posting of Signs. Whenever the City Manager shall determine that
    the ordinary, efficient conduct of the City's business requires that parking
    or standing of vehicles on City property (except parking meter zones) be
    prohibited, limited or restricted, the City Manager shall have the power and
    authority to order signs to be erected or posted indicating that the parking
    of vehicles is thus prohibited, limited or restricted.
    D. Compliance With Signs. When signs authorized by the provisions of
    this section are in place giving notice thereof, no persons shall park or
    stand any vehicle contrary to the directions or provisions of such signs.
    (Ord. 85-28 § 1, 1985: Ord. 1063 (part), 1963: Ord. 914 (part), 1960: 1949
    Code § 3600)
    California Vehicle Code

    22500. CVC - No person shall stop, park, or leave standing any
    vehicle
    whether attended or unattended, except when necessary to avoid
    conflict with other traffic or in compliance with the directions of
    a
    peace officer or official traffic control device, in any of the
    following places:
    (c) Between a safety zone and the adjacent right-hand curb or
    within the area between the zone and the curb as may be indicated by
    a sign or red paint on the curb, which sign or paint was erected or
    placed by local authorities pursuant to an ordinance.

    22505. (a) CVC - The Department of Transportation with respect to
    highways under its jurisdiction may place signs or markings
    prohibiting or restricting the stopping, standing, or parking of
    vehicles, including, but not limited to, vehicles which are six feet
    or more in height (including any load thereon), in any of the
    following areas and under the following conditions:
    (b) No person shall stop, park, or leave standing any vehicle in
    violation of the restrictions stated on the signs or markings.

    Thank you for your cooperation, and let's all work together to resolve
    potential conflicts and/or violations of the above listed restrictions.

    Sgt Ron Vallercamp
    NBPD

    The Newport Beach Police will be out in force @ Crystal Cove, They do not want Cars Staging on PCH. Ned and I meet with NBPD & The Irvine Company to ease a few issues. Please let your friend know to show up at 7:00. Irvine Management will not let us in earlier. Please Note, YOU CAN NOT SAVE A SPOT FOR YOUR BUDDY< IF YOU USE YOUR BODY TO SAVE A SPOT, IT BETTER HAVE A CAR WRAPED AROUND IT. Parking is first come first served only!

    Marc
     
  2. the_jay

    the_jay Formula 3

    Apr 26, 2005
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    Is there still a high expected turnout for July 16?
     
  3. Black355

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    Given the limited amount of "show parking" and the high demand for those spots, how is it intended that those spots can be safely allocated?

    Sadly, I'll not be around tomorrow to see how it works out. Jay? Frank? Jordan? Lemme know how it turns out...
     
  4. ryalex

    ryalex Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Aug 6, 2003
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    I've never been to this event, but it sounds like all of this regulation is crap. Soon there will be a city fee or tax on it. Don't think that the municipality is not trying to figure out how to bilk more revenue from the guests.


    Isn't there a stadium nearby with 10,000 parking spots to use? Maybe an aviation factory? The desert? SOMETHING large and paved and not so tightly controlled?
     
  5. Da Hapa

    Da Hapa Formula Junior

    Mar 31, 2005
    278
    Dana Point, CA
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    Christian Asis
    Respectfully Ryalex... it's because you don't live there and haven't felt the impact that CC makes on this relatively small community.

    CC is an awesome event and 99% of the folks who show up are awesome people. But as the old adage goes... a few bad apples...

    People who paid multi-millions of dollars don't want to be woken up before 7AM by a few knuckleheads racing down PCH. Moreover, in as much as the community appreciates the notoriety and boon to local business (tell me how much coin Starbucks and Pacific Whey are making off of all of us) others don't like it. For every car nut that loves us coming out... there's bound to be some folks who don't understand and don't like the extra traffic, lack of parking, and hard time they have getting into their neighborhood shopping center to get breakfast or coffee.

    And what about the guys that ride their bikes up and down PCH and are put into the dangerous position of having to ride out into PCH to get around the cars lined up to enter CC?

    I'm bummed that tighter enforcement is on its way. But the truth is that the event has already changed. I'm seeing more and more of a different "element" to the crowd than I used to. The event will continue to change. And maybe a little enforcement stops the idiots from street racing and make the entire event more enjoyable for everyone.

    And to answer your other question... part of the allure of CC is the scenery and surroundings. The parking lot literally has a million dollar view. And finding a parking lot with that kind of view, let alone that much open space in Orange County (where the median home price is now more than 3/4 of a million) isn't easy.
     
  6. the_jay

    the_jay Formula 3

    Apr 26, 2005
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    Jay
    I have been meaning to get out there the last few weekends, but just haven't found time. Now with all this new regulation I'm worried there might not be the nice turnout there normally is. Anyone know if any Enzo's will be coming to the meet?
     
  7. bhill121

    bhill121 Karting

    May 21, 2005
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    Coto De Caza, CA
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    Brian Hill
    It's going to be UGLY!!!!!!!
     
  8. SrfCity

    SrfCity F1 World Champ

    The fact that the cops are going to be there ;) ;) I think is a good thing. They were there last weekend and it stopped a lot of the burn outs and fly byes that will wind up with something stupid happening and them shutting it down. People lining up on PCH(literally on the road way in traffic) is also an accident waiting to happen. The cops will only show occasionally and it will help to continue the event IMO.
     
  9. jordan747_400

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    I think I have to agree with you there Scott. Even though its inconvenient for us, we need to find an alternative to lining up on PCH for sure. I have seen my fair share of near misses on PCH because of it...screeching tires and all! Maybe we should all just sleep in a bit more and plan on getting there at 7 :)
     
  10. frank4cars

    frank4cars F1 Rookie

    Dec 9, 2004
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    This became a bigger issue when they took down the construction barrier that protected the inside lanes. Last week was pretty scary. Hopefully cars will be allowed to line up in the far entrances and the center one will be blocked or something. The poor RACs won't know what to do. They used to clamp the lot after the main parade off PCH finished coming in, but now it will be a free-for-all. I'll try to get there a little before 7 to see what happens.
     
  11. jordan747_400

    jordan747_400 F1 Veteran
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    LOL I will still be there just after 6 to get shots of the early birds and of everybody coming down PCH...and I guess circling down PCH after they find out they cant park and wait tomorrow :)
     
  12. zsnnf

    zsnnf Formula 3

    Sep 11, 2003
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    Someone still needs to explain to ME how Starbucks can open at 6, but we can't enter until 7?!?!?!?
     
  13. Sideways

    Sideways Karting

    Dec 7, 2004
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    Last week there were tickets issued for illegal left turns across the median to enter from south bound PCH. Common sense should not be left at home on Saturday mornings. South bound traffic must use a signal controlled intersection.
     
  14. zoomtt

    zoomtt Karting

    Jun 19, 2005
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    I wonder how it will turn out, luckily I will not be showing my car tomorrow, I will be bringing my 4 year old because he wants to go to a car show.

    I think NBPD was alerted of the double parking incident last week where some cars blocked the first lane of PCH while waiting to get in.
     
  15. f-style

    f-style Karting

    Mar 31, 2004
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    Jimmy
    Any possibilty of something like Angel Stadium?
     
  16. gtessier

    gtessier Formula Junior

    Oct 8, 2004
    278
    OC, CA
    I didn't realize that the NBPD was awake at 7am ona Saturday morning. They must be suiting up a few of their rookies as a hazing ritual for the event this morning. Look out guys, nothing worse than a pissed off rookie cop who has to get up early on a Saturday morning!
     
  17. the_jay

    the_jay Formula 3

    Apr 26, 2005
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    Jay
    Irvine Spectrum Possibly?
     
  18. Black355

    Black355 F1 Veteran

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    There's an idea...
     
  19. TestShoot

    TestShoot F1 World Champ
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    I had suggested that before, but the concensus was that not everybody there knows about f-chat or that we would move it. I had suggested many other places as well, but the only thing that would do is split the show into two shows.
     
  20. REDMONGOOSE

    REDMONGOOSE Rookie

    Jul 16, 2005
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    newport beach CA
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    hey! im new around here but ive been attending CC for over a year now almost every sat. i think it is lame what the cops are trying to do, where are we going to line up? is the rentacop going to let us in? (ive had some trouble with him in the past...: ) i think moving it might be a good idia. i think that CC is going to start to die if the cops are all over it.

    Mark
     
  21. TestShoot

    TestShoot F1 World Champ
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    I am sure the Irvine Company will be more forgiving than NBPD...

    NO F^CKING WAY!!!

    They'll probably start calling it an 'event', charging for parking, then every aZn kid with an Acura with Lambo doors, and a neon kit will show up claiming his car can take your exotic while drifting through the parking lot. Yeah, the bling-bling and fartcan crowd is a much better choice than simply playing by the cop's rules :rolleyes:

    two words: 'cost prohibitive'

    edit: Timmy needs to cozy up to the RAC's to be nicer to us by, in turn, being nice to them... carma with a 'c'
     
  22. TopElement

    TopElement Formula 3

    May 14, 2005
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    Unfortunately CC has gotten to big for its own good. It upsets me to see it being publicized and exposed to the world, as it brings down the quality of the meet. (Well it used to be a meet, but is now more of a car show) Too many little import ricers and bling-bling people are starting to show up.
    Before, the word got out about CC simply through the grapevine of true auto connosieurs, and the cars that showed up were always amazing and worthy.
     
  23. dan993

    dan993 Karting

    Jan 16, 2005
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    After I parked, I spoke to the RAC and asked him what to expect in the future. He told me that they (don't know who 'they' is) had a meeting Friday night. He told me the goal as to break up the gathering.

    He was not sure how they were going to do that.

    Anyway, it certainly is a spontaneous meet, with little formal organization, so no way to stop it unless they just close the parking lot to all traffic.

    I must add that it does not help matters when more and more cars for sale are showing up, along with the leather guy who actually parks his truck in the show area and sets up to solicit customers! Steering wheel wraps, and the like.

    The "Saturdays At Crystal Cove" mag being done is gorgeous but likely only serves to drive this meet over the edge as word continues to spread.

    My $.02.
     
  24. the_jay

    the_jay Formula 3

    Apr 26, 2005
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    I agree. Unfortunately, and an unsanctioned unofficial event, there isn't much that can be done about the solicitation of the leather guy.

    I think moving the location to a place such as the mall where nothing is open @ 7 am would be a better idea, plus I think the parking lot is much larger.

    Although diversity is a good thing, adding a blinged out Civic to a bunch of exotics is poor taste. The ricers will continue to show up, and the number will be growing for sure.

    Unfortunately, I think CC has grown too big and will never be the same :(
     
  25. dizztro

    dizztro Karting

    Jun 28, 2004
    133
    Fresno
    I haven't attended a CC event as of yet and hearing that ricers are showing up at this marvelous event, ruins the whole fun of CC. But then it got me thinking as to why not just change the date and keep the location the same? Except Saturday it could be Sunday lets say. Moving the location won't do much good because everyone will soon follow the leader, thats how its been since elementary. My opinion to get the issue resolved and not ruin the meet for the rest of us by turning this into a car show like the ones on "Mun2".
     

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