Want to poll all CS owners if you will trade in your CS for a F430? Why and why not?
probably not. i like the "race car" look, feel and sound of the stradale. it's a special car and only a relatively small number will be made. however, if they eventually decide to make some CS versions of the F430 then i might consider it.
No - I like the stripped down approach of the CS, and track use will be an important part of the fun for me. I suspect I'll really, really want a 430 CS, if one is produced.
Keep the CS, the reason I bought it was for the "raw" approach. I found my 360 too soft and less involved. If there is a 430CS that would change my mind but a 430 standard would not do a thing for me.
I think that this would be like comparing apples and oranges. A CS is about as close as you are going to get to a street legal racing car. It is not the car you are going to use to take your wife/girlfriend on vacation in to the Riviera - unless you are looking to tick her off really quickly. The 430 is a logical and natural progression of the 360. I - for one - would not swap my CS for a 430 (plus the 430 will be about 10% cheaper than a CS). But then I would not have bought a 360 either....
If I laid down $200+ K recently I'd be claiming I'd hold onto it too. Fast forward a year or two and it might be a different story
"If I laid down $200+ K recently I'd be claiming I'd hold onto it too. Fast forward a year or two and it might be a different story" Too cynical! For me, and I'll bet for the hardcore enthusiast CS buyers looking for a less refined, "rawer" driving experience, the CS is too different from the stock Modena and the new 430. Trade to get the looks of the new car? No, though I love the new car. Trade to get the performance of the new car? No, because I want to wait to see if there will be a 430 CS, or an interesting 430C. I assume - I hope - the 430 is faster in the mag and other road tests than the Stradale - but I doubt the performance differential will make me want to get out of the CS. Now, I could see owning both a CS and a 430 - but then I could see owning a fleet of these beasts.
srf's 360 will depreciate as well; it's not a CS issue. the opportunity cost of NOT driving a CS right now is huge as they are wonderful... Will, at Fiorano, the CS is 3.75 sec/lap quicker than a 360, and the 430 is 3.0 sec/lap quicker than 360, all same F test driver. and maybe a 575 with the "sports pack" [can't remember the designation], as a 2nd F??? sounds very fun, but still weighs 3700#
Now that it is official, let's get real: Dry kerb weight: F430 = 1450 kg CS = 1180 kg Difference is 595 lbs!!!!! That is why you need the extra 65 bhp BUT in terms of agility... As Jeremy Clarkson said on BBC's Top Gear about the CS: "if you want to be truly astounded, you have to have one of these". There are 900 CSs in the world. There are more than 11000 360s in the world There will be at least 11000 430s. The 430 will be about 10-12% cheaper than a CS. A CS is an "automobile d'exception" for the purist. It is an extreme car that moves you in a way that no other modern automobile (Enzo included) can. Guys, hold on to your CSs. As of right now there is no decision as to whether there will be a CS version of the 430 and there is no decision as to the format for the 430 Challenge (due for the 2006 season). Just maybe the 430 Challenge will be road legal...... First 430s are for the US and Switzerland. First deliveries within this year.
I have never seen ANYTHING *confirming* a weight NEAR 1180 kg (That is 2596 lbs). US Stradales are weighing around 3000 lbs (1363 kgs) if I remember correctly.
Now, I could see owning both a CS and a 430 - but then I could see owning a fleet of these beasts.[/QUOTE] My exact vision. Cavallini
I just got my stradale saturday. I could not be more excited about the car. It is everything I want. The 430 is nice but it is no stradale. The driving experience is what these cars are about, and the stradale is by far the most exciting car I have driven on the road. My 996TT X-50 is probably faster, but the stradale makes my heart skip beats. Who cares if a car is a few tenths of a second quicker anyway. I passed on a gallardo because it failed to exite me. There are so many great cars with fabulous performance today, that you have to pick the ones that have the elusive "X" factor and the stradale most definitely is "XXX"
No. I love my CS. ( However a F430 might balance out the "rawness" in my stable. ) I do find the idea of a road legal challenge car quite appealing. Regards, Chris
Officially, from the Ferrari web site, the jerb weight for CS is 1280 vs F430 1450. Power to weight ratios are almost exactly the same whereby Torque is up about 20% but reach at a higher RPM of 5250 vs 4750 for CS. Top speed is higher by about 7mph. All in all, very similar in performance. Price-wise, if you add all the option the CS has such as Carbon brake, Carbon interior, the two cars' prices will be about the same. Given everything is about the same, it comes to personal preference. By the way, I am 100% sure the CS will sound much much better than the F430. That is a hard act to follow by any normal production model.
Would I trade in my CS for an F430? No. Anyone who doubts that hasn't driven a CS - end of story. It's the first car I have ever purchased that I feel is perfect for me and a keeper - and I have gone through a lot of cars. Would I trade in my CS for a 430CS? If they make one, most likely, especially if they raise the rev limit on the new car - that is my only complaint about the current CS. If you option out the new car with CC brakes, F1 tranny, sport seats, CF interior, sport exhaust and Challenge wheels (I don't like the new 19 inchers) it will cost considerably more than the current CS - guaranteed. The perfect combo for me would be the current CS and the Maranello replacement - now that would be heaven...
It is faster - I got whooped by one on Woodward Ave, last Thursday. I didn't lose as badly as I thought I would but it was a pretty convincing win nonetheless.
The dry weight of a Euro CS according to Ferrari: 1,180 kg 2,596 lbs The kerb weight of a Euro CS according to Ferrari: 1,280 kg 2,822 lbs The kerb weight of a Euro F430 according to Ferrari: 1,450 kg 3197 lbs I had actually mistakenly compared dry CS to kerb F430 sorry. THe CS is still 375 lbs lighter though, (13.5%) US versions are always slightly heavier, notably due to the required bars in the doors and additional bells and whistles as well as heavier (read quieter) exhaust systems etc. So if your US CS is around that weight it makes sense but remember that the US F430 will be proportionally heavier too. The "heaviest" Euro Stradale I have seen which was weighed in a magazine test, was a car with leather, radio, roll bar, extinguisher, elec windows and a full tank of gas and it came in at 1360 kg. Leather, radio, roll bar, extinguisher, elec windows adds up to about 40 or 45 kgs and a full tank of gas and all the liquids to somewhere around 125 kg which makes the 1180 kg dry weight credible.
