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  1. 24000rpm

    24000rpm F1 Rookie

    as you know, I purchased this barn find CS. happy but now got a problem

    f1 pump motor obviously isn't turning if you open the driver door, but if you turn off the battery for a while and turn it back on, the motor will briefly turn. but still, f1 light stays on

    the car doesn't start at all. no crank.

    something simple to fix?
     
  2. 2NA

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    Try a fresh battery.
     
  3. 24000rpm

    24000rpm F1 Rookie

    no, it wont work for a new battery
     
  4. RedTaxi

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    Could be a number of things that only a dealer with the SD2/3 can find and it can take some finding. Could be as simple as the pump motor or relay.
     
  5. 24000rpm

    24000rpm F1 Rookie

    ok, I think i need to spend $8000 for the leonardo!!!
     
  6. Exotic Lambo

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    Do you have the remote of the alarm?
    Is the LED located to the left of the wheel on a LHD car solid on?
    Is the car in neutral?
     
  7. 24000rpm

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    #7 24000rpm, Sep 9, 2015
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    yes
    yes
    yes

    and the f1 warning light is solid as well.
    sometimes when i was fiddling with the car, the alarm was set off although there's no horn sound, just lights flashing, but pressing on the fob button won't stop it. New battery in fob. i waited almost like 10 minutes for it to
    be off by itself.


    I am buying a leonardo single model tool today but Nick's still in bed probably.

     
  8. Exotic Lambo

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    I would turn the ignition on and check every fuse on the car; (behind each seat and trunk).
     
  9. 2NA

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    Let us know if it works.
     
  10. Ingenere

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    Before you spend $8K on a Leonardo, try reading with a regular scanner.

    I had a similar issue and an OBD scanner said Cultch Position Sensor, and that's exactly what it was.
     
  11. 24000rpm

    24000rpm F1 Rookie

    good advice

    I need to update my profile

    now I am proud owner of 2 modenas, 1 CS and 1 360 challenge

    I have a dealer around but they aren't familiar with 360s and are very arrogant since most cars they serviced are at least 2x of modena's value, i guess.

    nick is sending me the single model leonardo today.



     
  12. eric355

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    Does the F1 pump turn when you put the key in position II?
    It seems you have no pressure in the F1 system. In that case the TCU does not allow to crank the engine because it cannot open the clutch.
    You can try to bypass the pump relay and to actuate the pump for a few seconds. If you actuate it for too long, you will ear the relief valve. Then, with some pressure in the sytem, try to start the car.
     
  13. 24000rpm

    24000rpm F1 Rookie

    the only time the pump will run for like 3-5 seconds is after i turn off the battery, wait for 10 min and turn back on.

    open driver door? no pump run

    what is relief valve??

     
  14. eric355

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    The relief valve is in the hydraulic bloc and it limits the pressure if the pump is actuated for too long (stuck relay, bad TCU, bad pessure sensor, ...). If you try to bypass the relay and force the pump to turn, you may ear the relief valve buzzing when the max pressure is achieved.
    You have something wrong with the pump commanding. The purpose of what I proposed in my previous mail was to force the pump to put some pressure and to see if, then, the TCU allows engine cranking.

    The pump is working when you switch on the battery, so, pump, relay and part of the TCU are OK. When you open thd door, can you see the "door open" symbol on the dash? Also, again, is the pump working when you turn the key to position 2?
    A bad pressure sensor, saying to the TCU that the pressure is in the range, could prevent it to switch on the pump. A bad TCU could also do that ...
     
  15. rmarchjr

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    I would check all fuses, replace the f1 relay-its cheap and should be replaced as a maintainance item every 2 years. If you still have F1 light and no consistent pump - its a bad motor. If the pump runs and still F1 light then use the Leo to find error.
     
  16. 24000rpm

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    pump not working when turned key to position 2
    I saw open door symbol when driver door was opened

    so let me try bypass the relay couple days later then.

     
  17. eric355

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    Also, what can you read on the gear display in the tach?
     
  18. 24000rpm

    24000rpm F1 Rookie

    it is a steady "0"

     
  19. eric355

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    "0" or "N" ???
     
  20. 24000rpm

    24000rpm F1 Rookie

    sorry, it is "N"

    whenever i insert the key and turn to II, it beeps and the f1 warning light is solid.

     
  21. eric355

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    Have you try to swap the TCU with one of your other cars?
     
  22. 24000rpm

    24000rpm F1 Rookie

    car's away from me, couple days later i'll try the relay bypass and the said tcu swap

    eric, did I buy the cs tcu from you or the 3x remotes?

    i confused you with another guy I think

     
  23. eric355

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    The CS TCU !
     
  24. 24000rpm

    24000rpm F1 Rookie

    so you sell the remotes too?
    anything else you sell?

     
  25. eric355

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    I can clone remotes but I have no spare available for the moment.
    Nothing else to sell ... except a set of hydraulic tensioners (Left and Rifgt), used, but in very good working conditions. I am cleaning my garage :)
     

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