Major invoice. There are separate Ricambi invoices for the service parts. It appears he charged for 42 hours @ $70/hour. Image Unavailable, Please Login
$70 an hr..thats cheap is hell.. my indy mechanic is $90 (canadian) and I thought that was cheap and he works only on Fcars. the going rate just in a regular garage in Montreal, I beleive is $80/hr range. Dealers easy $100/hr and my local Ferrari Quebec dealer is probably in the range of $140/hr. in the spring, I will be going to the Ferrari dealer to get the fuel line recall done on my car, free of charge of course.. but I will do an oil change while im there.. to get on their good side just incase, and they charge $395+tax just for an oil change. otherwise all work and my major only in Spring 2016 will all be done with my indy mechanic.
Actually it's 295$, not 395$ And the local dealer here will do majors (in winter time) on a 355 for 6795$ But there are also very good qualified local shops indeed.
It might help if you start be defining what constitutes a major. This idea that what ever it takes, look at the bill, is rather obtuse. It's like taking you car in to have a flat fixed, ending up with a new set of tires and saying it cost $1200 to fix the flat.
Hourly rate means very little if they take forever doing the job. That is why one needs to use a shop that works on these cars all the time. Engine out in a 355 is under 30 hours.
Thanks John i do think the invoices really help...This is cut and pasted from another post I made it might help some understand why I'm rolling these numbers in my head My 355 just crossed 40k. It still runs great and is a pleasure not only to drive but its great to look at. I started this thread because it going to need a major in a cpl years and thinking about what kind of money I need to spend for sure just to keep it on the road.Sure ther are going to be other things but there unknown variables. Should I keep driving it spending money while its value goes down do to miles or broom it now for $50k (if I can get 50k for it...might be 45k is all its worth) put another 15 down and get one with 25k on the odometer and afresh major...what if I spin a bearing or my heads did need to be rebuilt 15k down the road...I just wanted some basics to roll around in my head..and all this info is helping thanks guys
I had literately 15 hours in everything on my 348 and i adjusted all the values and i have never done a F car before that.. I cant see any of these times being close to actual
Or this? Don't hate the player; hate the game...as they say. This was done by the prior owner a year before I bought the car. Covered the normal items for an engine-out major plus rebuild alternator, rebuild water pump, replace thermostat, replace alarm siren, r&r two leaking oil lines, r&r leaking clutch slave cylinder, replace cv boots both sides, r&r leaking drive shaft flanges, new battery, alignment, removal and reinstallation of interior parts for refinish at Sticky-No-More (SNM charges billed separately), install new tires (tires billed separately), replace coolant hoses, refinish valve covers, and a bunch of other stuff. Image Unavailable, Please Login
What are shop supplies for $50...3 cases of beer? I love the catch all random things like that...just add $50+ to each bill for every car that runs through the place
I did mine a couple yrs ago (almost time for another one!) and it ended up a little over $15k, even with discounted labor rate of $115/hr vs. $135. But since this was the first engine out that I've done on this car, I did some extras like... - Installed Dave Helms gold connector kit (took my mechanic a whole day to change out the all the connectors). Highly recommend! - new clutch and t/o bearing, etc. (I supplied all the parts) - Valve cover respray - New CV boots - New water pump - New Capristo exhaust bypass valve - All new gaskets on the underside of the engine/transmission to seal up all leaks - Hill engineering tensioners - New plugs but same wires - HVAC step motor replaced, so the cabin heat would work again - SS brake lines - all regular stuff changed, too (gaskets, belts, fluids, etc.) I felt pretty good about it... Haven't had any problems since & the car seems pretty solid now; to me it was worth it for the peace of mind. Want to put in Dave Helms coolant hoses with the next engine out. I purchased and supplied all the parts... I think it would have been around $7 to $8k total without all the extras.
to me that sounds like some pretty sane stuff....labor rates are higher on these cars but its worth it if they know what there doing. gold connecter kit I'm not sold on but to each is own might be the way to go.... I love the entry on my last service $50 misc shop supplies....everything else is accounted for right down to hose clamps...except misc shop supplies..lmao
I keep reading about this Dave Helms gold connector kit but can't figure out exactly what it is or where one would buy it.
Whatever it is they list a $1700 price and don't describe what it is. Best I can tell from other threads it's new wiring harness ends. I guess I don't quite get 1. Why I would need that and 2. How it could cost $1700.
you must be new here. Search for gold connector kit. PLENTY of content to read it could take you a whole day to read all of it.
In a nutshell, the OEM connectors were made cheaply... and with the engine exposed and its high temp... they were subject to corrosion, break down and deterioration of the connections... triggering error lights and various other running issues. Folks who have installed Dave Helms's (a very well known Ferrari mechanic w/great reputation and high quality products) gold connector kit (uses gold for the contacts, as gold holds up much better against corrosion, etc.) have sworn to results ranging from smoother running engines to mysterious error codes going away. I haven't noticed a smoother running engine, but have not had any weird error codes come on anymore. That's my understanding... I'm sure people will chime in if I have missed anything or misstated anything.
I guess you don't own a shop or work on cars much. I would go through 2 dozen of show towels on a big engine out job. A box of latex gloves. 1/2 of a tube of gasket dressing material. A couple of cans of brake cleaners. Perhaps a bit of black touch up paint and silver paint. A hundred zip ties. A bunch of washers and nuts and bolts. Some places have to pay to get the oil hauled away. You don't think those add up to $50? Who pays for the sand paper to be used to sand down the Ferrari letters on the valve covers after you paint them?
Here's the major the previous owner did on my car. Didn't even include painting the valve covers. If they did, they did a ****tyy job. Image Unavailable, Please Login
Interesting how all these high dollar invoiced come from Ferrari dealers. Look at the ne above. $315 for a set of spark plug that retail for 1/4 that price. $15 for a quart of oil. 12 quarts of gear oil when the manual say 5 quart capacity. Here is the bottom line for the major plus a total head rebuild with all new valves (40), guides and 14 Ferrari rebuild tappets. Image Unavailable, Please Login
