Current pricing for a 412?

412s offered in both manual and auto. Tough call on what to get, you really need to drive them to decide.

 

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As far as pricing, that's a tough question to answer...they can range from the 30's to the 60's in the States. I would say a good buy if 'fully sorted' as it states. PPI!!
I believe there were 576 produced, 306 with auto trans & 270 in manual. Up to the 412, the ratio of Auto's to 5-Speeds was 2 to 1. For some reason, Ferrari made more 5 speeds in the last variant.

 

I have owned both a Mondial T Cab. (sold) and a Series I 400i 5 speed which I recently re-acquired after selling it 5 years ago or so. There is no question in my mind as to which is the car for me - 400i. The Mondial, while a solid, reliable car that sounded incredible with Hyper-flow cats, was exceedingly uncomfortable for me to ride in any distance. I am 6'4" so that may have something to do with it. Also, to my eye, the Mondial was not as good looking as the 400i. There is simply nothing that can compare to a V12 at full song. There is also nothing that can drain a bank account quicker than a Ferrari V12. I made the mistake of selling #40555 once and don't intend to repeat it. Drive both and judge for yourself.

 

i agree with everything Daren has said with one caveat...a needy Mondial T will drain a bank account as quickly as a 400i (fuel pumps are an example).

the T's really are a ton of fun to drive but, frankly, the rear seats just aren't usable in a 'real world' sense, particularly if the guy in the drivers seat is 6'4...impossible !

it's really more of a three seater and only then if the passenger is as far forward as possible...and while a 400i isn't a whole bunch better, it is undeniably better.

as Daren said, a 348/T does have an inherently great sound that's even better with cats and an exhaust, but it simply can't compare to a Colombo V-12 exhaust note.

the exhaust note of 400 at 'full song' is something very special...complex, yet smooth, elegant, but aggressive...to hear one off in the distance at high rpm is just incredible.

none of the other 8's or 12's i own even come close, which makes them a little disappointing by comparison...BB512 and 456GT very much included.

fwiw and imho, if it's family 'fun' you're after, get a 365, 400 or an early 400i...

 

Manuals are dearer as more desirable on the 400 series. If the price of these cars ever takes off the manuals will be the best bet investment wise.

From a driving point of view it's a matter of choice. As i've said before, the auto make the car very relaxed to drive whereas the manual is a different experience altogether.

I don't think it matters which one you get - like many of us who fall under the spell of these fantastically underrated cars once you've got one you may want another - I know I do and will be buying a manual very soon.

p.s. any 365/400 series v Mondial = NO CONTEST WHATSOEVER !!(sorry if I've offended anyone)

 

My car is carbed. It stinks the garage up with fumes every time I back it in and my clothes smell like garage according to my other half but I absolutely love it!

The induction noise is pure music and there's nothing like seeing 6 webers every time you lift the bonnet.

I doubt that the maintenance costs of carbs is more expensive than fuel injected cars because they're way less complex and when there's a problem it's usually only with one carb instead of one item which drags down the whole system. Carbs are less fuel efficient but most people (but not all) use there cars fairly sparingly and they all drink fuel at an alarming rate so this isn't a deciding ownership factor.

I think that carbs are "old school" and are great for tickering whereas FI usually requires expensive equipment and specialist knowledge/skill.

I don't think there's a better or worse here - it's what floats your boat (or in my case the FI cars I was looking at were nowhere near as good as the one carbed car on the market which I bought for far less - a bit of luck on my part I guess).

 

I would disagree with you on the complexity of the fuel injection system, as least as far as the Bosch K-Jetronic mechanical FI used on the 400i series cars.

Bosch K-Jetronic FI was standard equipment on lots of Mercedes, BMW and Volvo cars of the early 1980's and therefore they are a high volume system that was well engineered and reliable in operation. As for complexity, my friend who owns a service station here in town is able to tune it using a screwdriver and a meter to measure the mixture. Couldn't be simpler.

Valve adjustments are also far, far easier on the FI cars as the carbs need to be removed and then resynchronized after reinstallation.

As romantic as the six sidedraft carbs are, when I was considering which model to buy I chose the fuel injected version because I didn't want to have the extra hassles of the carbs.

Different strokes for different folks but I feel very happy with my decision and the fuel injection (knock on wood) has been ultra reliable over the years that I have owned my 400i.

 

I see where you're coming from with this and in principle don't disagree but considering the threads over the past 12 months (for example) as i recall there are a number relating to FI issues, the majority of which get quite involved and tend to need specialist input to resolve. I can't think of one relating to carbs except the good old "carbs - good versus evil" style debate.

When you mention that your friend in town who owns a service station can adjust these easily you're kind of reaffirming my point because he's a mechanic with his own shop, not John Q Public in his garage at home. Adjusting any system properly will require specialist tools and/or knowledge of some kind but pretty much anyone with a few spanners and half a brain can remove a carb and replace worn out carb bits but I'll concede getting all 6 in synch can be a chore.

I'm in no way saying that carbs are easier to live with - in fact probably the opposite in some ways but IMHO they're just more obvious and less high tech than FI systems hence easier to fix WHEN something goes wrong.

As far as valve adjustment is concerned I agree with you although I haven't done this as yet. Removing and refitting the carbs and airboxes is a labourious, horrible job for which you need 5mm thick quadruple jointed fingers with eyes on the end or, ideally, bags of money with a desire to give it to someone else while you relax on a couch at home watching TV with a few beers and eating potato chips.

On reflection you're probably right - FI is way better and easier in every way !

But I still love my carbs .......... because I'm a masochist !

 

Carbs are more difficult to adjust & synchronise, but easier and cheaper to repair ( clean out the carby, put a kit of seals in it ) . The fuel system consists of 6 carbs and 2 fuel pumps. A carb engine sounds pretty good too.

Injection is simpler to adjust, but more complicated to diagnose and repair.
The fuel system consists of 2 fuel pumps, 2 warm up regulators, 2 fuel distributors and 12 injectors, none of which can easily be rebuit "at home"
Injected cars run pretty good, not tempramental at all, and no fuel smell.

M

 

Why couldn't I have worded it that eloquently.

I hate you Mike .........

 

View and test drive any that you can find with an open mind and buy the one that works best for you. It doesn't matter cos if you fall for this series of cars they're all great !

Plus if you're a collector you'll end up with more than one anyway !