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D.H. 98 Mosquito to fly in New Zealand!

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  1. Nurburgringer

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    Also had handed props so should have been easier on take offs.


    Interesting. How did other planes with similar tail arrangments cope with this? P-51s for example have the vert stab&rudder almost behind the horiz stab (which is located much closer to the cg than the Mossie, so wouldn't elev. authority be even less, all else being equal which of course it isn't).
     
  2. Bob Parks

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    I didn't quite explain things well. I'm a bit slow on mental stuff today. The DH98 fin is tall as is the rudder, elliptical planform, . At high AofA the horizontal tail's wake can blank the fin and rudder unless you move the fin and rudder forward so that there is enough fin and rudder exposed in a stall or near a stall.
    The P-51's rudder is well below and aft of the horizontal tail so that there is no loss or less loss of rudder authority at high A of A. Fuselage configuration airflow and engine location enters into the equation also. Hope I'm not too blurred with this , now.
     
  3. Gatorrari

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    If you look at the photos above, you'll note that the early Hornet (first photo) has a vertical tail essentially identical to that of the Mosquito. In the later photo you can see the added dorsal fin that was added to most production Hornets to provide more directional stability. The Hornet's late-model Merlins were more powerful than those of the Mossie.

    Of course, that's why all but the first block of bubble-top Mustangs had the additional dorsal fin added ahead of the vertical. The razorbacks had adequate directional stability without it, but the cut-down rear fuselage of the bubble-top reduced that significantly; hence the dorsal fin.
     
  4. tazandjan

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    Jim- Affirmative, loss of keel area affected the P-47D-25 and later Jugs, too, and my Dad's last -30 had a factory fitted dorsal fin addition. They also retrofitted the dorsal fins to older models. Dad said the early P-47D"s and the early P-51D's nose tended to hunt or almost Dutch roll until the fin was added. Can see where a Hornet would need one even more with all that torque.
     
  5. Bob Parks

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    The P-51 Fastback didn't suffer from the turbulence left behind the bubble canopy. Another compromise with drag or loss of visibility in a dog fight and with the DH98 the compromise was with the shorter tail moment arm or loose rudder control and stability near a stall.
     
  6. Bob Parks

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    If you extend a line from the LE of the stab upward, you can see what will possibly be blanked in a high angle stall. On the -51 there is a lot of rudder left below the stab and enough above the stab to maintain control.
     
  7. I16

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    Hornet looks good here.
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  11. Tcar

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    Read a book on the Red Army...

    "The Il-2 Sturmokik is as essential to the Red Army as air and bread" - Stalin

    I think it was the most manufactured plane of WW II.
     
  12. I16

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    Stand by - the build time of ZK-FHC has been incredible.
     
  13. nerofer

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    #63 nerofer, Aug 16, 2016
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    That citation is true, but somewhat taken out of it context, which changes its meaning slightly. Stalin wrote that sentence because he was very upset about the slow output of one the factories. He therefore wrote a letter/telegram to the managing director of the "Zavod" in question, and in that letter Stalin said exactly:

    "You have let down our country and our Red Army. You have the nerve not to manufacture IL-2s until now. Our Red Army now needs IL-2 aircraft like the air it breathes, like the bread it eats. Shenkman produces one IL-2 a day and Tretyakov builds one or two MiG-3s daily. It is a mockery of our country and the Red Army. I ask you not to try the government's patience, and demand that you manufacture more ILs. This is my final warning".

    The last part was underlined twice with his customary blue pencil...
    I think I still may have it in Russian and Cyrillic somewhere;

    Rgds
     
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  16. Mr Mezzanotte

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    633 squadron (Cliff Robertson)
    Mosquito Squadron (David McCallum)

    both classic movies.

    Incidentally check this out.. HJ711
     

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