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Daniel Ricciardo has signed with Renault for 2019

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  1. tifoso2728

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    Mine would be Hamilton and Verstapen. I know, I know . . . I like to play with matches, but I think that Max still has a ton of upside.
     
  2. classic308

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    The theatrics would be better than Hamilton-the one on broadway...
     
  3. tifoso2728

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    And . . . I would let them race . . . no team orders!
     
  4. william

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    By his own admission, Hulkenberg has accepted that he is now unlikely to be called by a top team now.
     
  5. Jack-the-lad

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    +1
     
  6. RWatters

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    He sure didn't have much of an issue against Vettel at RBR considering he's just an "okay" driver.
     
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  7. WilyB

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    True, they won the first Grand Prix in history back in 1906! :)
     
  8. Bas

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    I changed my mind about him in recent years. A very consistent guy indeed. And definitely not slow. But I don't think he has Ricciardo beating speed. I'd be extremely surprised if he has...If he does I imagine the 2019 silly season will be crazy.
     
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  9. 375+

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    The Hulk has been in F1 a long time and has never scored a podium. He is getting a bit old at this point to become a hot property but I would love to see him in a front line car.
     
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  10. Bas

    Bas Four Time F1 World Champ

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    Many expected Sainz to walk all over him but it hasn't happened at all....in fact the opposite is true. I'd like to see him in a top car also but sadly think he won't get that opportunity unless Renault develops something special...
     
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  11. Jack-the-lad

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  13. P.Singhof

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    I love it...

    Hulk is "unimpressive"
    Ricci is an "OK driver"
    Seb is "not fast" and cracks under pressure
    Max is unmature
    Valtteri is a wingman
    Kimi is old and outdated
    Lewis is a Ballerina

    Maybe they should dismiss all those drivers and only keep Gorsjean and Stroll to fill up the field with a few FChaters... ;)
     
  14. tifoso2728

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    This just indicates how bored we get in the summer holiday.:cool:
     
  15. subirg

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    It's easy to beat demotivated drivers. Doesn't make Ricci at top tier wheelman - which, IMHO, he will never be. Don't get me wrong, I really like the guy, and some of his racecraft has been exceptional, but he lacks the edge in raw speed that the top guys have. He is also pretty weak in the wet which is probably the truest indication of those that have exceptional natural ability, and those that have to work at it.
     
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  16. tifosi12

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    Couldn't agree more. A DC by another name.
     
  17. DF1

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    I do not see Vettel as capable in passing or in the wet at all.
     
  18. P.Singhof

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    4 more weeks going on like this and this forum starts to ask how he actually passed his drivers license ;)
     
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  19. tifosi12

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    Nonsense. Vettel used to be the rain king. That's how he won Monza in a "Minardi", which jump started his career.
     
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  20. subirg

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    I agree. Vettel gets so much negative comments here, but he is a great driver and has proven many times that he is capable of overtaking and driving well in the wet.
     
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  21. DF1

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    #171 DF1, Aug 6, 2018
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    Let me find a picture of a recent race in Hockenheim lol. Max is the rain king overall. Heck LH was the king in Budapest. Vettel is great from up front, has issues with pressure and is not at all the passer Ricci is. Keep up the hero worship lol

    Things in the wet are a touch more complicated as explained here - so more car than driver I would suppose -
    https://www.autosport.com/f1/feature/8386/the-numbers-that-disprove-ferrari-magic-step-theories

    Is Red Bull's bad performance in the rain due to low downforce set-up to compensate for engine performance?
    Pieter Bottema, via Twitter

    I think it goes a bit deeper than that. With the slick tyre, all the air where the tyre contact patch rolls onto the ground is displaced either to the inside, or because it's what the teams try to optimise, mainly to the outside of the tyre contact patch.

    With the intermediates and wets, you have what is called a land-to-sea ratio. Obviously, the slick tyres are 100% 'land' because you have no channels in the tread. For the intermediates, it's roughly 75/25, and for the wets roughly 60/40.

    Unfortunately, or perhaps fortunately, Pirelli doesn't make wet or intermediate tyres for the windtunnel models
    This changes how the airflow structure around the tyres develops. This airflow and the vortices it sets up are critical to the performance of the underfloor and diffuser. On a car like the Red Bull, which runs at very high rake angles (high rear ride height), it is all about sealing the underfloor in front of the rear tyres with these vortices to get that extra performance.

    But with this change on the tyre airflow, displacement will alter how this all works.

    Ferrari, which also runs fairly high rake angles, also suffered whereas Mercedes, which doesn't run anywhere near as high a rear ride height, didn't. So, this is the area that I would be trying to research.

    Unfortunately, or perhaps fortunately, Pirelli doesn't make wet or intermediate tyres for the windtunnel models and CFD is a bit of a lottery when it comes to modelling rotating wheels and tyres.
     
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  22. subirg

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    Weak. Try and find a multiple wdc (this side of Prost) who wasn’t gifted with speed or a genius in the wet.

    Even Lord Hamilton, a recognised rain meister, slips off track. In the dry too. Every driver does. Throwing Vettel under the bus for Hockenheim is just poor taste and bad form.
     
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  23. tifosi12

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    Definitely not a hero worshipper. Vettel made a terrible mistake in Hockenheim, which is likely to cost Ferrari the title.

    I can't say what's wrong with Vettel, possibly past his prime. My point was simply that back in his younger years he was the absolute king in the wet as evidenced in Monza.
     
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  24. DF1

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    Poor form is Vettel's problem LOL. Form really? He has meltdowns year before and last year. 4 time WDC with major ego and temper issues. He is the least polished multiple WDC around. LH makes fewer mistakes. Im no LH fan but that is the major difference. Objectivity escapes you. All drivers make mistakes but timing them is everything. Vettel has very very poor timing. Again the Singapore and the latest in Hockenheim are examples. Vettel is at the bottom of the current WDC drivers Id have on a team. Id pick FA first and Vettel never. He has a tendancy to simply choke at the wrong times it appears.

    Read what I posted about chassis performance in the wet. Its matters more than the driver as it sets the limit.
     
  25. DF1

    DF1 Two Time F1 World Champ

    Monza was one race with the right tire and chassis. Thats all. He is not past his prime but is far too mistake prone dry or wet. See Baku this year and again last year. Singapore now Hockenheim. He chokes from what I see. Why is the mystery as at Red Bull he was not as prone?? Yet suffered with Daniel and left. Coward in my opinion. He hated the new the new car forumla he said. So with the same formula etc goes to Ferrari safe from a younger driver with more skill.
     

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