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Discussion in '296' started by 09Scuderia, Jul 31, 2023.

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  1. ferrariguyf12

    ferrariguyf12 Karting

    Aug 20, 2021
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    I can confirm this was a customer car.
     
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  2. boobernackle

    boobernackle Formula Junior

    May 28, 2016
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    A customer that drove a regular production car for 150-180 miles max? Did they happen to register the car in Montana too?
     
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  3. SJU

    SJU Formula Junior

    Oct 22, 2020
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    Because the buyer is a friend who just purchased it via the dealer from the original owner.
     
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  4. boobernackle

    boobernackle Formula Junior

    May 28, 2016
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    #29 boobernackle, Aug 8, 2023
    Last edited: Aug 8, 2023
    To me, there are customer cars and then there are mule cars... a mule car is one that's delivered to a "customer" that's really designed to make use of the allocation, then sold to an actual customer shortly after delivery, usually at a markup. Dealers may use brokers and sell such cars as "used", with many brokers being close to major international ports for obvious reasons. Since a car is technically used, they're not bound by the territory restrictions on marketing and sales.

    It only takes a few.
     
  5. SJU

    SJU Formula Junior

    Oct 22, 2020
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    This car was delivered to a local buyer and resold to a local buyer. No drama. It was held for the required lock up period.
     
  6. plastique999

    plastique999 F1 Veteran
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    Nov 9, 2008
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    When will the buffoonery stop?
    It’s a production car for crying out loud


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  7. boobernackle

    boobernackle Formula Junior

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  8. GT3 Mike

    GT3 Mike Rookie

    Jan 4, 2016
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    I think he is saying instead of paying 500k + for an ST, a standard touring like this, being 95% of an ST, is a much better acquisition at the likely 300k sale price.
     
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  9. GT3 Mike

    GT3 Mike Rookie

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    Its funny to see this as I am in the exact same boat. The next step seems Ferrari. I tried buying a new Lambo two years ago ( Huracan EVO ) and it was a horrible experience.

    As a first time new Ferrari buyer, what would be the best way to go about speccing a new 296 GTB ? I understand long waits. I've been waiting my whole life.
     
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  10. Divexxtreme

    Divexxtreme Formula Junior

    Aug 14, 2020
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    The books have been closed for a while for new 296 GTB and GTS allocations. You'll have to go used.
     
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  11. GT3 Mike

    GT3 Mike Rookie

    Jan 4, 2016
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    Figures. Same thing happened a few years ago with the F8. I was cross shopping the Lambo EVO and F8. I regrettably chose the EVO, which turned into a disaster, and the F8 books closed when I decided to go that route. Ill get the Ferrari one day !
     
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  12. 09Scuderia

    09Scuderia F1 Rookie

    Nov 20, 2011
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    Friendly advice. Assuming you end up getting a pre-owned, just pay the ADM. You will end up spending less $$ overall and get the car you want as soon as you find one for sale. ....EVERYONE is paying some form of ADM..via actually paying over list and/ or buying bridge cars.

    Maybe you are offered a 296 GTB (the dealer has an extra order, someone backs out..whatever). But, you have to wait 2-3 years and buy at least one 'bridge car'. You will most likely lose money on every bridge car...If your GTB was worth $100k in ADM that $$ gain was wiped out from the losses on the bridge cars.

    Another thing, until very recently the dealers would encourage you to sell your new car back to them when it was around 180 days. Not a day sooner. When you complied they would reward you with an order spot for another Ferrari. For example, start with a GTB...keep it for 180 days, sell it (or consign it) with the dealer and they give you an order spot for a GTS. It could take years before the GTS would arrive, but that was the game. If you blinked the dealer would move to a more compliant customer.

    Now, (assuming this info is correct) you must KEEP your Ferrari in your ownership and not 'pre-sell' it back to the dealer if you want to order new and move up the food chain. Personally, I love this. I hated the 'reminders' that it was 180 days+ and a good time to sell...
     
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  13. Zombies

    Zombies Karting

    Aug 19, 2017
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    I am sure your experience is accurate, but I think it’s very location dependent. In California, I came to Ferrari because of the lack of games (no buying another car to get a car), and have been treated well ever since. Even the list is fairly democratic, surprisingly so. Sure, the VSes are reserved for the best customers … as they should be based on demand far outstripping supply. But for production cars? Couldn’t be easier. Walked in off the street in sweatpants and ordered a 488, was treated well, and a 296 GTS on the way.
     
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  14. BeachDoc

    BeachDoc Karting

    Jan 30, 2022
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    Maybe I'm just lucky but I was able to place a deposit and build specs for a GTB and 3 months later a GTS without any bridge cars. Granted I don't expect my GTB before next Summer (2.5 years after deposit made) and the GTS likely 2 years after that but at least they are in the pipeline.
     
  15. 09Scuderia

    09Scuderia F1 Rookie

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    Placing an order and truly having an allocation is not the same thing. Hoping you guys have true allocations.
     
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  16. LVP488

    LVP488 F1 Veteran

    Jan 21, 2017
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    Allocations typically come later than the deposit / order since dealers do not get allocations as much in advance as the current lead times, but for regular production cars, for years I've not heard of an order not eventually getting an allocation. Whenever there is a risk (or even a too long lead time) the dealers temporary shut off the tap (which is sometimes wrongly interpreted as the car being sold out...) We just got information that the Purosangue orders have now been reopen for instance.
     
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  17. 09Scuderia

    09Scuderia F1 Rookie

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    The 296 GTB/ GTS production run is allocated. It's possible (likely even) that people will back out of their orders over the next 2-3 years and that will create order spots/ open allocation. Until the order appears within Ferraris ordering system attached to your name and an actual car is being built it's not an order.
     
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  18. KL runner

    KL runner Formula Junior

    Jul 25, 2023
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    Oh to be in a RHD market , the tap is still on !
     
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  19. BG259

    BG259 Karting

    Aug 20, 2009
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    Who told you the Purosangue orders have reopened ?

    which country are you in?
     
  20. LVP488

    LVP488 F1 Veteran

    Jan 21, 2017
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    This article https://fr.motor1.com/news/681285/ferrari-vente-purosangue-nouveau-batiment/ states that orders for the Purosangue are reopen for year 2026, allegedly based on Ferrari's conference call. It's in French, so that gives a clue that I'm in France ;)
    That would be consistent with a policy of not wanting to take orders too long in advance; so orders would have been closed when all 2023, 2024 and 2025 productions were sold, until now - after mid 2023 - when 2026 production becomes orderable.
    Situation may vary depending on dealers though, since some could have anticipated their expected 2026 allocations (an order accepted by a dealer is typically not binding, neither for the dealer nor Ferrari).
     
  21. 09Scuderia

    09Scuderia F1 Rookie

    Nov 20, 2011
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    We attended Casa Ferrari in Pebble Beach for car week. The 296 GTS IRL really is the perfect-looking Ferrari. Saw the Purosangue for the first time and it was truly exceptional. Lovely design. The Roma Spyder was also a surprise. Another home run design.
     
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  22. KL runner

    KL runner Formula Junior

    Jul 25, 2023
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