Dayco / Isoran timing belt?

I am still attempting to get Dayco's side of the story (horses mouth) but, as of today they have not replied!

 

I have found that the Dayco has two divisions, one in the US. and one in E.E.C. (Euro.) Belts are made in both places.
You can tell this by reading your belt.
Daco tells me, Our standard warranty in the US is 12,000 miles or 12 months.

Dayco US. is helping me find out more about OE and after market but, is still working on the info and will get back to me so, keep checking back for the REAL differance between logo no logo belts.

Jeff

 

Okay guys, straight from the horses mouth,

Robert Christy at Dayco Products, LLC is the Director of Marketing at Dayco USA

Here is his response to my questions,

Jeff, I apologize for the delay in responding. The timing belt part
numbers we use in the United States are 95xxx number and the 94xxx numbers
are parts distributed in Europe.
The majority of our timing belts are made in Italy for Europe and US.
I looked up your 94984 part number and we do
not have a "95" cross that is sold in the US. I'm sure the distributor you
purchased this from imported this from Europe. I do know that Dayco
supplies the majority of the timing belts for Ferrari. These belts do have
both Ferrari and Dayco logos printed on them. Most of the belts in the US
have date codes and I'm checking if the European belts do as well. Our
standard warranty in the US is 12,000 miles or 12 months. If you like,
please give me a call and we can discuss where your belt came from and how
to proceed. Thanks

Robert Christy
Dayco Products, LLC
Director of Marketing

I did call him and he came up with some more answers as follows,

Jeff, hopefully the following answers all your questions.

The after market belt is the same construction as the OE Ferrari belt.

The production data code 08214196 means: 08 (year 2008), 21 is the 21st
week of that year and 4 is the 4th day of that week. The 196 number
represents the belt position inside the production mold.
The minimum self life is 5 years.

(I think he meant Maximum self life?)

The European Warranty is as follows:
The warranty on Dayco products shall be effective for two years starting
from their installation.
If a manufacturing defect of the product is detected, Dayco shall at its
sole discretion return the sale price or replace the products within a
reasonable time limit.
Dayco shall bear shipping and installation costs for the new replacement
product, and any indemnification obligation shall be excluded.
The warranty shall not apply:
- if the defect results from standard wear and tear caused from using
the product for its intended use after a mileage corresponding to the
mileage indicated by the vehicle manufacturer and provided that the
power transmission components involved in the movement are in standard
operating conditions; or
- if other power transmission components of the vehicle caused the
defect of the product on account of insufficient and incorrect
maintenance; or
- if the product was not used for its intended purpose: not applied on
the model(s) of engine indicated in the catalog, used on competition
engines, etc.; or
- if the product was not installed by following the recommendations of
the vehicle manufacturer for the specific model and/or the instructions
enclosed with the product by Dayco; or
- if the product was not stored, transported or handled appropriately; or
- in case of accident.
Within two months of detecting the conformity defect, not only shall the
retailer or fitter send Dayco the defective product or allow its
technicians to inspect the product, but it shall also provide Dayco with
the following information in writing:
- product type/code;
- product installation date, vehicle’s mileage at the time of
installation and at the time the defect was detected;
- vehicle’s data (model, cylinder capacity, engine code, year of
manufacture);
- documents giving proof of purchase of the product (invoice or receipt);
- name and address of the end user;
- description of the detected defect;
- irregularity reported by the end customer.
If the retailer or the fitter fails to send the documents and/or
information required under the previous paragraph by the above-mentioned
time limits, the warranty shall not apply and therefore Dayco shall not
be held howsoever liable for the detected defect.

Robert Christy
Dayco Products, LLC
Director of Marketing

I asked if the "FERRARI" belts go through any other inspections or anything that would make the belts a higher quality like being from the middle of the band or barrel?
He told me that the whole band has to be made with the logo or, without logo so the whole belt, even the ends are "FERRARI" LOGO. Robert also told me the following,

I was told the only difference is the logo and both belts go through the
same quality inspections.

Robert Christy
Dayco Products, LLC
Director of Marketing
Office:

So, there it is guys, you be the judge! I want the best for my 355 interference engine but I am not a sucker for name brand prices (being the same product). I also don't buy Shell helex, Mobil 1 SM 0-20 or, 0-30 for the hard driving, at less than 7 bucks a quart, I never have a good excuse for NOT changing the oil every 6 months or 3K.
I will change my belts every 3 to 5 years with the engine out (I will do all the rest while I am there including H2o hoses and throttle bodies). Degreeing the cams are the right thing to do as well. I don't want to buy a Ferrari then live in fear of it exploding when I jump on the gas.

Thanks for reading, any input is welcome.

Poor boy

 

Hi Brian,

In your position I might do the same thing. It's not not coming out of your pocket for the OE parts but, it is you paying for the return and time, parts, and a very dissatisfied customer that wants his car back yesterday.

But, if the belts are the same, they are the same. This post is "whats the real difference in belts" and I guess is for the owners more than for the pro shops.

However, if the belts are the same and I won't get or have a written guarantee from FNA or ? My investigation tells me, I may at best get a free belt?

Thank you for your very large knowledge base,
Poor boy, Jeff

 

Here say,

I was told that the date code is not printed on the "Ferrari" logo belts?
I don't know, can some one with a F logo belt tell me if you have a number that looks like this, it runs down the width and is white:
08214196
08214197
08214198
08214199
08214200

The 08 is the year
the 21 is the week within the year
the 4196 thru 4200 is the sections of the tube it was cut from.

thanks,
Jeff

 

I have learned a lot from reading my first post.

I hope this post has shed some facts on the Timing belt subject and I throughly appreciate all views and have learned from ALL of them.
From this post I have seen that there are many views from the trunk of the tree as I call it.

We are all climbing the tree in the same direction but being on a different side of the trunk we have different views.
Now I can see what you see from the experience side of the tree (thanks to Brian), from the manufactures side (thanks to Robert), from the legal side ( thanks to Greg) and from the all the others, thanks again.

My goal is just to drive my Ferrari, not leave it in the garage for a multitude of excuses, not scrimp on the maint., not drive it at 3 to 5,000 RPM hoping it won't Grenade if I over shoot or have a vapor lock.

I bought a Ferrari because it is in my opinion the ultimate form of mechanical racing art. I love to here it, I love to wax it, I love to run it, I love to have the honor of working on it and buying the parts to make it as it was when new. F-chat has helped make all this a reality.

At your service,
Poor Boy
PS. If you guys have not taken the time to read the all inclusive oil article, do so NOW!!!! It's like eating 99% chocolate without the calories :0)