Daytona Dashboards, Help, help, help.

Original exterior color: Giallo Fly20-Y-191.
Original interior color: Nero 8500.
Assembly sequence #189.
5 May 1970 completed.
LHD.
New to Charles Pozzi SA in France.

Green? Red? Not restored? Repainted?

Marcel Massini

 

Dash is not original. The thread and needle system,material and adheisive are wrong.

 

Grant one point to bear in mind, is during the early seventies the UK importer had a habit of making dealer fit changes to cars before delivery.

For example many UK Daytona's (including mine) had a gearshift boot over the gate. More importantly UK Dino's had prancing horses attached by the dealers which now have to be removed in order to gain Classiche certification (interesting arguement that). Not sure where originality should start when it left the factory or when it was delivered to the first owner?

 

Here is the dashboard of 12301. The first production Daytona. Completed 13 March 1969.

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This is the dash of 13409. Completed 11 May 1970.
Original exterior color: Blu Dino 106-A-72.
Original interior color: Nuvola 3015.
Assembly sequence #199.

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This is the dash of 12925, the Pininfarina Speciale.
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Now that's definitive.

 

Mr Massini
With all due respect, could You clarify whether Your pictures of dash coverings of 12301 or 13409 depict them during assembly at the factory or some more recent restoration effort and if latter, was there a reasonable way to verify their authenticity of being original ?
Timo

 

12301 photo taken on the 6th August 2009 in Southern California.
13409 photo taken on the 20th August 2008 in Northern California.

Marcel Massini

 

Maybe the dash was in vinyl, as leather was so bad in the sun???

Good discussion!

 

marcel,
what is the color combo of 12301?
thanks,
ed

 

Original exterior color: Giallo Dino 20-Y-348. Black side stripe. Just wait until you see the car in flesh at the XIX Palm Beach Cavallino Classic 23 January 2010.

Marcel Massini

 

Interesting.
Also quite surprising that with all the cars available for inspection and the amount of knowledge in the group, there may exist uncertainty over such an in the eye item on a relatively young model!

Another thing I noticed in the pics is that the gearlever on RHD cars remains on the left side of the tunnel. Strange.

 

I'm no expert but I'd think that it would be no small job to move it.

 

You're probably right, but I steered off topic.
I think that most later cars had the gearlever move with the steering column. My 308 certainly has it on the right side of the tunnel (RHD car)

 

Your 308 doesn't have a drive shaft running through there.

 

Hahaha, Marcel Massini, For The Win !!!
Marcel, you never disappoint. Thank you as always.

Best,
Dave

 

Gentleman-

As I have more time to reply today, I will elaborate, to such a deserving audience. It is well known that another company made the prototypes. And PF, was well versed in the use of their equiptment and maintained a higher level of skill amoug its employees, than other coachbuilders. The leather on the dash of 13395 is not period. The needle system used on the IP is not a leather needle. The skill shown in the assembly and the patterns used is not consistant with the pictures of Prototypes Mr. Massini has posted, or production standards of Ferrari sub-contracters of the day.
All comments I made in the earlier post could be clearly observed from the photos. Mousehair is not even close to what in Europe is refered to as Alcantera, in look or structure. True all original mousehair was more charcoal than black..I still have some scraps. And lastly, Tex, leather commonly used today for dash pods is placed in an oven to have its moisture content reduced, which reduces its chance to shrink in the sun. This is not something that would have been done in the 60s to my knowledge. It is my opinion that the dash was redone at some point by a local shop. But, I have been wrong before...

 

12301's dash is made of aluminum, covered as original with dash material found throughout 206s, long grain vinyl.
The restoration personnel, myself and several knowledgable others are of the opinion this as well as many many other differences in build construction (not to metion original crest and crown provisions on the body), the car is a Pininfarina built car.

Production cars have dashes made out of fiberglass.

 

The mouse fur is unique, I thinks it a higher end classier material.

I just plain like it better, I'm betting that's why most of them are done that way. My friend had a daytona in 1978, it was mouse fur.

 

That's not the point.

Mousefur is without doubt more practical/comfortable as well, but were there Daytona's with other materials originally is the question.

 

Also as a side note, I believe new alloy instrument panels as per original grain and colour are available from GT Car Parts if you are going the whole hog, some (most) are scratched around the knurled retaining screws.
Cheers MG