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Daytona on BaT and Stupid Question

Discussion in 'Vintage (thru 365 GTC4)' started by timc930, Oct 16, 2019.

  1. timc930

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    So I was looking at the Daytona, then I watched and listened to the walk-around/start-up video. I noticed what I thought was a lot of rattle around 2:24-2:29. I asked the question about the rattle, and I guess it was either totally stupid or I offended the BaT "experts", as question totally ignored. I was just really asking out of total ignorance to that specific engine, with no intention of offending anyone.

    https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1972-ferrari-365-gtb-2/
     
  2. DWR46

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    I did not watch the video, but if the "rattle" was at idle or in the 1,000 rpm range, it is typical Daytona. They "rattle". It is a harmonic in the cam drive gears. These motors use the standard chain to take the drive up to the heads and then use gears to turn each of the four camshafts. You will find some Daytona's that are quiet, while most "rattle". All perfectly normal.
     
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  3. energy88

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    Sounded to me like typical cam and lifter noise like cars from the late 1960s.
     
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  4. timc930

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    Thanks for the explanations. I'd assume this noise is actually now music from a beautiful engine!
     
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  5. timc930

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    Yes, It was at idle.
     
  6. miurasv

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    Do MOT records show VIN of the vehicle in question or do they reference its registration (plate) number ?
     
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    The public on line records do not show the VIN/Chassis number, just the Registration/Licence number, as in the case of this Daytona - LAF 866L , but the actual MOT Certificates will also have the VIN/Chassis Number, as well as the odometer reading.
     
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    I am inclined to believe that to be a typo on the MOT record (inputted incorrectly by the test centre).
    When JD Classics offered the car in early 2015 the mileage stood at 23,693 and it appears likely (to me at least) that the digits were transposed on the MOT record.

    This car has covered less than 400 miles over the last 7 years.

    Paul
     
  10. llink

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    Assuming you are correct, the car has been driven 93 miles in 5 years. Shame.
     
  11. miurasv

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    Discrepancy explained. Was showing 23,393 miles when previously offered by FJ in 2012, as I'm sure you saw.

    2013 Classiche Report lists that it had 215 70 VR 15 tyres which would have been correct. However they were actually HR70 15 which it still has. The sellers description, which does seem honest, does mention the old tyres and the make (which are not correct of course).
     
  12. sixcarbs

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    A side discussion on the same car.

    I thought the wire wheels were for the spyders and the coupes all got the Cromodora's. Someone just commented that they all got the Cromodora's and that the wire wheels were offered by dealers on all of them.

    Thanks
     
  13. 375+

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    Borrani wheels were optional for both GTB and GTS but I'm not certain whether cars were delivered with them from the factory. I believe that in the USA they were installed by the importer(LCM or MCM) or dealer.
     
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  14. Marcel Massini

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    Yes, Borranis were optional.
    Factory records show which car came with which type of wheel.
    For example, of the 122 Daytona Spiders built (includes 1 prototype #12851) only 8 (eight) were originally ordered with Borrani wire wheels.

    Marcel Massini
     
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    Marcel,
    Were RW 4300 and 4301 ever fitted/sanctioned by the factory, or was the works fitted Borrani type RW 4075 only?
    Many thanks.
     
  16. Edward 96GTS

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    i believe if optioned with borranis that they were fitted at the factory. my daytona was ordered with the wire wheels.
    also, the correct corresponding knockoff was also installed.
     
  17. Zarathustra

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    Although the audio is poor, the "rattle" on the video @ 2:24 is coming from the camshafts hitting the valve tappets.
    Sounds rather normal to me.
     
  18. Edward 96GTS

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    i was told the rattle is due to excessive cam end play from wear.
     
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  20. gcalex

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    Bidding topped-out at $490k; almost exactly the same as the last Daytona on BaT.

    Seems that venue has a model-specific ceiling, as the two cars were pretty different in flavor...
     
  21. DWR46

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    Edward: Not true. "Daytona rattle" is present on both new and low mileage cars. I have seen both situations numerous times since 1972. I have also never seen a V-12 Ferrari (from this era) have "excessive cam end play".
     
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  22. 375+

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    I suspect that both were bid to just under reserve. Soft market.
     
  23. Jack-the-lad

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    FJ is advertising their Daytona at $659,000 so the high bid was ‘way off of their presumed reserve.
     
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  24. jippiejake

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    I like when it rattles.
     

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