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Daytona Spyder Conversion at Fantasy Junc

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  1. steve meltzer

    steve meltzer Formula 3

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    Anyone know anything about this car? No AC, and interior is a bit at odds with the Ferrari Red paint. thanx steve
     
  2. miurasv

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    #2 miurasv, Dec 1, 2012
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    Some more info here from when RM auctioned it in 2006. It was rebodied in aluminium by Grand Prix Metalcraft in the UK: http://www.rmauctions.com/CarDetails.cfm?SaleCode=MO06&CarID=r221

    I'd also try and establish if the car was converted from RHD to LHD as the car was initially supplied by Maranello Concessionaires GB according to Fantasy Junction.

    http://www.vintagedrivingmachines.com/Classic-Car-For-Sale/1971-Ferrari-365GTB4DaytonaSpyderConversion?ajaxed=1&ad_id=357414408&action=viewlisting&backurl=action=carSearch&make_id=65&model_id=2304&sortby=Default&itemsperpage=5&page=1
     
  3. calder1

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    I've driven that car recently , one if the better driving Daytona's I've driven
     
  4. steve meltzer

    steve meltzer Formula 3

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    thanx for the great info. cogitating on it. s
     
  5. Wheels1

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    I have asked Johnathan Tremlett, and he has said, it was supplied as a new LHD car, from the UK to France.
     
  6. steve meltzer

    steve meltzer Formula 3

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    thanx for the info. makes sense since it was a Swiss car, but wouldn't have had to be. s
     
  7. El Wayne

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    Entirely possible, but suggest ordinary due diligence. Hilary Raab and Gerald Roush both had this as a RHD car destined to customer "Morello" (as opposed to "Morell, the Swiss Formula 2 racing driver"???) in the U.K. Gerald Roush had it as a plexi-nosed car as well.
     
  8. steve meltzer

    steve meltzer Formula 3

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    well, it must have been a RHD after all. I know that Gerald has passed to the great Ferrari beyond, but is Hilary still around? Phone number or email? You can send it by PM or my private email <[email protected]>. thanx steve
     
  9. Wheels1

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    It would have been plexi to start with I think, so when it was re-bodied after the front end smash, I guess they changed it.

    To convert from RHD to left is a big job. Not just steering wheel and dash, but all the engine ancillaries such as battery, brake servo etc.
    This all looks correct to me from the photos I can see for a LHD car.
    Other right hand drive differences are:- gear lever cranked and a gator over the selector, Speedo in miles per hour, seat belts on later cars.
    LHD cars do have a tear drop shaped plate in the drivers foot which RHD cars do not have and this car does not seem have it, but this could have been removed when re-trimmed.

    Steve, best send a PM to Marcel to see if he can shed any light on it. He probably has the build sheet.
     
  10. steve meltzer

    steve meltzer Formula 3

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    Would this car, #14047, a '71 have had headrests? Dinoplex? Shoulder harnesses? It was Euro car. The seatbelts look wonky, not correct, but I'm not sure. thanx. s
     
  11. Mark Shannon

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    This car WAS ORIGINALLY LHD. It was originally silver/black/light red carpets. It was on alloy wheels, had a radio and A/C and was supplied on Italian tax free EE plates.

    I have it as going new to S. Morelle, France, via Maranello Sales, UK. I see that Raab says Morello.

    The boss of GP Metalcraft is no longer with us and neither is the business.

    It was serial Ferrari owner Mark Tippetts, not Tippens, that owned the car. He copied the colour scheme from his friend Dudley Mason-Styrron's original RHD spyder #15841.

    It was registered here on UK plates 2UAE and I think is pictured in one or two of the coffee table Ferrari books.

    European cars would not have had Dinoplex ignition packs.

    I think those earlier FHC Daytona's did not have headrests. I have seen another early plexi, still 100% original, UK supplied LHD FHC, and it does not have headrests either.

    Mark
     
  12. Wheels1

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    This is what i think to your questions:-

    Early cars did not have head rests, a 71 car was around the change.
    Dinoplex seems to be on USA cars only.
    The seat belts fitted are none original but safer being inertia reel. It would have had a buckle type [ see Daytona registry].
     
  13. Wheels1

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    Great minds think alike Mark, you must have posted while i was typing.
     
  14. steve meltzer

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    All of this is very interesting, as Marcel emailed me that it was RHD, with pop up headlights. s
     
  15. steve meltzer

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    When I visited the factory last year, I was able to establish some rapport with one of the big whigs in the Classiche/Resto division; he was kind enough to pull the build sheet. Mark Shannon was right (or left!): LHD, A/C. thanx s
     
  16. shill288

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    That's correct. Early Euro Daytonas generally came without headrests. The three I've owned did not have headrests.

    Steve
     
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    That's interesting as Ferrari was still producing plexiglass headlamp cars and the USA cars with pop up headlights had only recently been introduced. It does bring up the question of which VIN is the first non-USA pop-up headlamp car?

    Steve
     
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    Plexiglass or pop-up headlamps?

    Steve
     
  19. steve meltzer

    steve meltzer Formula 3

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    I never asked, and he didn't say. I don't have the build sheet, but he looked at it. I can show you the room where they store that data if you'll pay my way back to Maranello! Being in the vintage resto area was just Valhalla as you'd predict! s
     
  20. Wheels1

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    I have just had a mail from The Maranello Concessionaires Archive.

    They have the build sheet, and it confirms:-" LHD, arrived in the UK in 1970 and delivered to the first owner in January 1971 to the South of France.
    In addition it had Air conditioning and a Voxson stereo fitted plus a KPH speedo. It would have been Plexiglass, as the euro pop up lights where later".

    I had asked about the lights, so I am guessing the build sheet does not have this detail.

    Also, looking at the pop up light pods, they look to be of the later rounded type or though it's hard to tell from the small photos.
     
  21. steve meltzer

    steve meltzer Formula 3

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    Grant, as you know, that comports perfectly with what I was told by the Ferrari factory. thanx for your help. steve
     

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