Daytona Spyder, freshly restored needed

Here's what look's like a good one on e-bay:- http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=008&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=180228307705&rd=1
and it's only $700,000 at the moment. Details below:-

The car was owned by Mr. Bombaski, Johnny Carson's famous attorney.

Then owned by John Mechum Jr. who had one the finest Ferrari collections in the World. Sold to the one and only Jerry J. Moore, who up to a few years back had the number one ranked Car Collection in the world. One owner since 1988. Mint condition. Fully documented. Raced at Laguna Seca with racing history. 1 of 25 European Daytona Spyders. I believe that this Daytona is one the finest Ferrari cars in existence. Much more information on this car also. Produced between the two factory-built competition Daytonas. This car is #14487. #14485 was owned by Luigi Chinetti and this car was originally owned by Maranello Concessionaries. This car has not been to auction and is currently in a time capsule. I believe this is the only car with a factory Ram Air Duct System running from the front grill to an air box over the carburetors, factory installed. Quite rare, making it faster than any other Daytona. I thought this might be of particular interest. Also note the provenance, reads like the who’s who of car guys. Jay Leno would be a good candidate for this car as he should know it personnaly. Also the ferrari museum in Maranello would love to have this car. Well, first come first serve today. Thanks for your time, email me back if you have a buyer in mind. Time is of the essence as this car is for sale locally in Houston, TX. Serious inquiries, thank you for looking. paul_tallas @yahoo.com


And here's a conversion on e-bay "reportedly performed by Scaglietti in Italy" ???? lets see if they have the doc's to prove this. Details below:-

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=220219152596&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=012

So enough History, the car in question here is an exceptionally well prepared example in show condition. It has covered just over 42,000 kilometers from new, and has had only a handful of owners from new. The Spyder Conversion was reportedly performed by Scaglietti in Italy, and is of exceptional quality. The car comes with all records and tools as well as an extra set of Borrani Wire Wheels in addition to the knock off cromodoras currently installed. The hard boot cover is in excellent condition as well. In short this is one of the finest Daytona Spyder conversions available and with only just over 120 factory examples produced, this car represents a rare opportunity to get into open Daytona touring without liquidating the rest of your collection.

 

I think that car is a conversion, and was originally sold in Italy.

Kind regards

Mark Shannon

www.markshannon.net

 

If that's the case Mark, I think the only reason the "Ferrari museum in Maranello would love to have this car" would be to scrap it. They hate conversions or so i'm told.
Certainly the price reflects an original Spyder so some one will get a shock.

Have just looked in the book Daytona buy Braden and Roush and it say's 14487 is a TypeA spyder conversion so at $700,000 it will be interesting to see how high it go's up to. Looks like you are right again Mark.

 

The Ferrari Museum Displays a Pure Replica 125 identified as such. I'm not sure they should throw the first stone...

 

They built that 125 so it's not like they bought a kit and slapped it on top of a fiero. I don't think the term replica does it justice.

 

They built it? Nope. A cut Daytona is a bit different from a "Miami Vice McBurney Daytona"

As a point of fact the same shop that built the 125 Replica also cut a Daytona for a dealer I know.

 

What shop built the 125 Replica?

 

There are a number of shops that have and continue to do work for Ferrari in Modena. So far as I know Michellotto was involved in the 125 replica. I think they initially used the wrong chassis drawings. (The KO's are still wrong should be Rudge Whitworth not Borani) **** happens...

 

The 125 with Serial Number 90125 and engine number 1 was built by Michelotto in 1987. I'm sure Michelotto did a lot of things, but taking instruction from Ferrari and geting a SN should account for a lot. It would be different if Ferrari asked them to cut the top off of these coupes and sold them that way.

Either way, I would love to own one. Didn't they also cut the top off a couple of 400's? I thought I remember someone who was claiming their 400 was done by them.

 

I believe that is a cut car. European Daytona Spyders should be called 365 GTS/4. USA Spyders, except for the first one, were called GTB/4s. And the first one, depending exactly where you look, using both 365 GTS/4 and 365 GTB/4. Hey, it's Ferrari we're talking about and you don't think they wanted to "certify" another "model" car for the US did you?

On the value, a factory car is a good $1.5M these days. I've seen a few sell for more, a few a few dollars less. $350K to $375K would be more in line for this car.

Steve

 

How true. People get all bunched up in the undies over this sort of thing. Ferrari has been farming out work when they get jammed up for years. This was particularly true of the F40.

Steve

 

I agree with you Steve, this is a Euro model car so the chassis plate should read GTS. if it was an original Spyder. [S. for Spyder].
I asked the guy if it was a conversion and here's the reply, make of it what you will:-

Type A conversion correct done from the factory. First owner recieved from factory as a Spyder. This is the first one made. All other conversions done after the factory are not real. This is the real deal, as noted in several reference books. Trully rare peice

 

hmmmm....1971 Euro cars did not have Dinoplex ignition, US cars did. Could be just a typical Ferrari inconsistency though.

 

Also, the front suspension upper control arms have been fitted upside down.

The ball joint should be angled down, not level. On full upwards suspension deflection, the ball joint will run out of travel and can snap off, very dangerous.

 

He's lying. This car was originally a GTB/4 and left the factory as such. Mark Shannon's post is spot on. Also, I'm confused as to why 14485 even appears in the ad as it's a 365 GTC/4.

 

Guess what?
Both cars on e-bay have had there top bids withdrawn and the price has dropped, in the case of the $700,000 car it has droped a massive $180,000 to $520,100.00
so i wonder if this thread has helped someone not to be ripped off.

 

i have emailed this guy twice asking where in Rouch's book is this car mentioned? and also that it is shown as a "type a spyder conversion" in Rouch's id numbers in the back of his book and in Hilary Raabs 'ferrari serial numbers part 1' the answer i got was ' yes type a very rare car' i also asked to see the letters and documenation he speaks of, no mention in return emails. beware on this one..Chuck

 

There are still people bidding on this car, i think they must believe it is a genuine Spyder. it's gone up to $550,000.

Do you think it would be a good idea for F-chat members to bombard the seller with, "This is not an original Spyder. Don't rip people off" messages??

 

Wrong color ?

http://www.axelschuette.de/index.php?id=23&L=0&tx_cm[el_cm]=203&cHash=3afa278f9b

 

He spells Mr. Mecom's name wrong...Jerry J. Moore is in failing health, liquidated much of his collection..he had a few Duesy's, Mr. G.

Anyone know who this seller really is?

Sounds like a newb, if he doesn't know Jay Leno HATES Ferraris! LOL!

It'd be interesting to know how he came to be shilling it.......

 

All of the body work for Michelotto is done in a town just outside of Padova by Dino Cognolato.

 

The conversion did not sell, but the other so called original Spyder did for $700,000, will we ever know the truth.

 

Thats a VERY large collection to liquidate....

 

His heirs are licking their lips.......he guessed 'wrong' on Modern TR values and dumped all them......

I worked with a lady that was an old family friend....I have not seen or heard an update on him in quite some time.

He closed the old ratty museum on North Loop 610 and was going to transfer it all to a new facilty, and then........dropped from the scene.