DC criticizes Massa

DC (and others) should let the season unfold and actually see how Massa performs before booting him.

 

I agree, and I don't like to say it, but Massa gave them all the ammo they need to attack him. He really needs to pick it up this season.


Mark

 

Definitely. If he doesn't pull up his socks this season, then he should be shown the door.

 

I'd take DC a bit more seriously when he isn't indulging in a Red Bull / Vettel lovefest.

I'm not a Massa fan by any means, but the criticism is getting overboard.

 

+1.

DC can be extremely verbose in his A-- kissing of the Machine that Red Bull has become.

 

Why waste another year?

He already has shown that he needs to be replaced. I feel sorry for him as it is obvious the accident has caused this ... but that is life.
Pete

 

+1

 

+1 he's a bit late to the bash Massa party. He must be bored.

 

I think that he´s in the team just because they couldn´t find a replacement. The veterans don´t like to be Alonso´s sideshow. So they tried Perez and Bianchi but I suppose they think they´re not ready.

I don´t think the accident is the cause, or the ONLY cause of Massa´s bad shape. I suppose that he´s being ignored by the team and that is undermining his moral. As you said, that´s life, time to move on.

 

Agree'd. And the #2 driver will not be showing FA the door the way Kimi ended up leaving. Yes the #2 should be good but he cannot in anyway ruin the team for FA.

Its his team. Fernando and thats reality.

Its a thankless job in the big scheme and anyone going there knows they WILL NOT be a WDC. If you have ambitions of competing for it Ferrari is not the place to do it unless you are annointed king #1.

Massa will race this year and be gone unless he finishes #2 in the WDC behind Alonso.

 

Coulthard should think about his f.1 carrer before speaking....he was never more than a second driver, first to Hil, than to Mika and than to Kimmi, the only reason Ron Dennis put up with him was to trow him against Ferraris, specially shumacher...and he did a good job at Spa, and tried it again at Indianapolis....he had a few clashes with felipe on track and still isn´t over it. I don´t know what massa is going to do, the truth is, that if he performs like he did in the past 2 years he should leave the team, because clearly what he as done is not enough...on the other hand, many forget that he is onne of the reasons for Ferrari winning their last 3 titles.....it was him who gave it to Kimi, and helped the 2007 constructors, again in 2008, and in that year it was more Ferrari´s fault than his to lose the drivers championship.
So, for thar i will always praise Felipe and wish him the best. I have no doubt that before his accidente he was one of trhe very best, to me better and faster than Alonso but, i can´t ignore that at present he is very far from that...perhaps semething will change and he will pill something amazing..let´s hope.

 

+1 on all points except that he was faster than Alonso - I don't think there's anyone out there right now that's as quick as Fred. We'll never know, but I'm gonna say he would have beaten (if not quite destroyed) young Seb in the same car.

Unfortunately, you won't hear any of those sentiments much around here - As you can see from the majority of the above posts. I accept he struggled last season but when he's on he's damn quick, he's vastly experienced and a solid #2. Pretty much like DC in fact.....

Mind me asking if you're from Brazil? If yes, what's the feelings there about Rubens being forced out?

Cheers,
Ian

 

+1K

 

This will shock a certain person on here but I'm going to say that Lewis Hamilton is easily as quick as Alonso (and their season together at McLaren proved as much).

Yes Hamilton had a poor season last year, self inflicted by too many outside distractions, but I've said it before and I'll say it again, I think Hamilton is the most naturally gifted fast driver in F1 today and is the match for Alonso.

Alonso's advantage is that he makes less rash decisions than Hamilton.

Vettel?, so far he's been fast when he has a car advantage or circumstances fall right for him but he's not had to fight for race wins in a car that was the best on track at the time. Both Alonso and Hamilton have shown that they are capable of winning in cars that are not the best on track.

As for the Massa, I think a big part of the problem for Ferrari is that he is just too nice a person to look him in the face and tell him: "Get lost!, you're not good enough anymore!"

I don't buy the whole: "They can't find a replacement", argument.
This is Ferrari We're talking about, not Caterham. There are plenty of good drivers who would jump at the opportunity, even with Alonso there.
If Ferrari had no faith in Massa then they would soon put someone else in the car, maybe Perez (or even Sutil if he avoids prison), and take a chance.

As it is, Ferrari just want one last confirmation that Massa cannot adapt and be as fast as he once was. If that turns out to be true then he's gone. Should he find his old form then he'll probably get another season (but he will have to have an extremely good season to for that to happen).

Coulthard?, he's merely saying what a lot of people are thinking: Massa's past his best, time to move on!

Ferrari have made their decision, now only time will tell who was right!

 

So that disqualifies him from having an opinion does it?

Based on that theory, how do people on here who have never even raced in F1 have the right to criticize Coulthards career?

 

For the record: that car couldn´t be so POS becuase Bourdais managed to qualify 4th with it.

 

Excellent post, although I don't believe the TR of that particular season was that big of a POS, but agree on everything else you wrote. Vettel is awesome.

 

I'd like Massa to stay as it keeps the focus on Fred and thus a better chance at the WDC. Worked for Micheal and Ayrton (while at Lotus). I'm sure Alonso would agree. Phil was in the 6th best car last year and finished appropriately. All you can ask.

 

Yes, but Alonso´s chances would be better if his team mate could finish just behind of him, resting points from his rivals. Right now, Massa is not fast enough to do that.

 

Yep, I don´t want to discuss the quality of Vettel as a driver.

But I insist in the rhetorical aspects: that RED BULL CLONE (not Minardi) couldn´t be so ****ty AT MONZA with that RAIN SETTING, because Bourdais (who is nobody in F1 terms) qualified not so far from Vettel.

That race was memorable. I was there! But I have the feeling that what I saw that day was not a miracle.

 

Mmmm... Donington ´93? In Donington Senna started 4th and everybody had wet setup.

I think that Monza 2008 was an outstanding job, but there were some quite unusual circumstances which played in favour of Vettel. I was more impressed when he managed to score a point in his first race or when qualified 8th and run 3rd for a while in Japan 2007, just his 4th or 5th GP. Shame that he crashed with Webber during a safety car period; although Hamilton should take part of the blame for that.