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Dead Cali, :( Anyone know it, Seattle area

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  1. modena1_2003

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    #2 modena1_2003, May 24, 2010
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    Wow, that's one hell of a roll-over. A-pillar doesn't look that bad though. Really hope the driver is alright.

    I wonder how much it will go for... Curious also, if anything is salvageable enough to be re-sold....

    Nice specs on the car also.


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  2. TheMayor

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    #3 TheMayor, May 24, 2010
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    Look carefully you can see the car rolled with the top down but the headrests are in perfect shape and the windshield frame is still in the original position. Modern technology is amazing.

    That was one heck of a crash. I agree that we all hope the occupants came out safely.
     
  3. The Palerider

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    I too hope the driver was not badly injured.

    Interesting though, I don't think I had previously seen a photo with the roll "bars" deployed.
     
  4. 308nut

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    I don't know, I think it rolled with the top UP, see the two aluminum bars coming out of the rear top of the seats, I believe they are supports for the roof. But where is the roof??



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  5. 308nut

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    Is that what those are???



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  6. TheMayor

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    #7 TheMayor, May 24, 2010
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    The two struts behind the seats are the roll bars. The roof is in the trunk. If it weren't, then you would see all the linkages torn away when the roof was torn off.

    This car flipped with the roof down for sure.
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  7. jenniferq

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    Ok, that's really a scary sight! Think I'll drive mine a little more carefully after seeing that wreckage, although it is good to see what good shape the cage is in and that those roll bars actually do work!
     
  8. Spasso

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    That thing looks like it went down a ravine!
    If the bottom of the car didn't get torn up too much the engine and transmission might be salvageable.

    The interior might be usable to a point as well.

    Most importantly, If the car didn't get wet or flooded there is a small fortune in ECU's, computers and electronics in that car.
     
  9. 308nut

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    How do the roll bars work, I have never seen them before. are they deployed upon impact , like airbags, where would the impact have to be for them to be deployed. Very interesting



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  10. RickLederman

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    The manual says that it has to roll to the side ... end over end will not do it ... They also activate with any sufficient front, rear, or side impact.

    This is directly from the manual:
    Roll bar
    The active (ejectable dynamic) roll bar has been designed and
    installed to maintain the survival area of occupants in the event of a
    vehicle roll-over.
    The active roll bars are controlled by the ECU that activates them
    when there is a strong roll around the longitudinal axis of the
    vehicle and there is a risk that the vehicle will roll over.
    In the case of a roll that exceeds the calibration thresholds, the
    ECU will release the roll bar locking system and deploy the roll
    bars in a few tenths of a second. Once deployed, the active roll
    bars help to maintain an occupant survival area together with the
    windscreen surround (and the hard top if used).

    It also says as an Important Note:
    The active roll bars are also deployed in the event of a
    sufficiently severe rear or side collision as a precautionary
    measure against subsequent roll-over of the vehicle.
    Since it is impossible to gauge vehicle dynamics and movements
    of the occupants in an accident, the active roll bars are also
    activated as a precautionary measure in the event of:
    - sufficiently severe head-on collisions (that activate the front
    airbags) if they have caused a cut-out of the fuel supply
    - sufficiently severe side-on or rear collisions.

    Rick
     
  11. TheMayor

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    #12 TheMayor, May 24, 2010
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    There is a sensor that determines that the car is about to flip. Once that happens, these deployed in some incredible amount of time (190 milleseconds). It is possible that the roll bars can go off without the car actually flipping.

    I'm sure they go off if the roof is up or down. If the roof is up, it just gives more support to the rather fragile top.

    The system as been in MBZ for many years now. The first patent goes back to 1990!

    If you look closely at the photos, it's quite possible that the car never touched anything while upside down. There are no scratches or dirt on the roll bars or the top of the windshield. It may have just have done a 360 without the top ever hitting the ground.
     
  12. NeuroBeaker

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    With most modern convertibles (certainly my parents old 2000 Mercedes CLK and 2006 BMW 3-series had this system), if the car tilts over a certain number of degrees then a system rams these hefty bars up and locks them into place to provide protection for passengers from being crushed when the car rolls over. For added peace of mind, these bars can be raised with a button in these models if you prefer to drive with them pre-deployed.

    I found a YouTube video of one being demonstrated on a Volkswagen EOS:


    Most of these systems are pretty similar. Even the current production MINI Convertible uses this system, so that unlike in the 1st Generation MINI Convertible the bars don't need to be up all the time destroying rear visibility.

    All the best,
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    #15 Jedi, May 24, 2010
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    Just for F-Chat Post records - S/N 170361 (in the event the photos one day are gone and this
    car turns up on eBay). Vin: ZFF65LJA3A0170361

    Jedi
     
  15. boiseferrari

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    I was thinking the same thing.
     
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    #17 jenniferq, May 24, 2010
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    Good idea! It's gone already! Although don't think it could end up on ebay...
     
  17. F430GB

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    WOW! :eek: That is one hell of a crash! Hope the driver and passenger(s) (if any) are doing ok. Interesting about the roll bars, that's for sure.

    -G.B.
     
  18. Jedi

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    You would be SURPRISED what has turned up in the Ferrari section of eBay.... to see
    this one listed in a few months would not surprise me in the slightest.

    Jedi
     
  19. jenniferq

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    That is good to know. Had no idea something could morph back into life from that wreckage.
     
  20. forgeahead

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    Yikes. I hope the occupants are ok. There doesn't look like much is salvageable.
    Definitely roll over. Good work by Ferrari in cabin protection.
     
  21. Apple Sauce

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    That'll buff right out.
     
  22. h2oskier

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    Wow I hope the drivers are ok. I agree on the modern tech. Porsche has had those popup roll cages in their cabs for years. That was one very hard hit.
     
  23. Zack

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    Seems like it got hit on the passenger side, slewed around, impacted something hard on the driver's side that tore the front wing off, and kept coming around until the rear 3/4 panel hit too. The energy of that hit seems to have been absorbed entirely by the 3/4 panel--it did not deform the trunk lid. At some point the windshield got shattered too.

    I don't see evidence of a rollover--the tops of the rollbars would be covered in dirt and would be scratched if not deformed. They look shiny new to me, and the leather panel covers don't look like they have been damaged at all.

    I would think the accident was fairly low speed--30-50 mph. Anything more would have damaged the body panels considerably more. Probably going around a curve too fast, lost it, bounced off something and spun and hit again before coming to a stop.

    From the lack of damage to the passenger compartment, lack of broken glass, and the degree of body damage, I would think the occupants were not seriously injured if they were securely buckled in.

    Lots of salvage items from this. Virtually everything looks good, except for the body panelsc (and whatever was crushed behind them) and front suspension assembly on one side. I hope they cover up the leather.
     
  24. Spasso

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    #25 Spasso, May 25, 2010
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    There's a Lawyer/ Judge down south that has a habit of buying stuff like this and doing a patch job before advertising on ebay without full disclosure...a particular red/black Boxer that used to be a TOTALED black Boxer comes to mind, as well as a 360.
     

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