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  1. David Lind

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    This is cool for many reasons, but the one I'm currently enthused about is the input from Mr. G, who is apparently a creator and adventurer like the Delta Wing guys. Great sounding board, don't you think?
     
  2. texasmr2

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    Saturday morning cannot get here fast enough.
     
  3. David Lind

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    3:43.5 at this point in Wed practice. 28th overall
     
  4. BartonWorkman

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    Provided the DW qualifies and takes the start Saturday,
    will it be the case that it runs the first 2-3 hours then
    pull into the garage as the WM Peugeots did in the
    mid-80s after setting fastest speeds down the Mulsanne?

    In the most recent article on Autosport, team managers
    are saying (to the effect) the DW's speeds are down due
    to lack of parts and they're going to run very conservately
    in the race, not get in anyone's way, etc.

    In qualifying, Krumm clipped a kerb which set off the fire
    extinguisher which ended up bathing the electronics which
    stopped the car on course. Hope they're able to bounce
    back from this incident and get in the race.

    BHW
     
  5. brian.s

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    Probably to never return
     
  6. ProCoach

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    Doubters! ;)

    Already hit their goal of 3:42, in the thick of LMP2. They've posted a qualifying time and their drivers have fulfilled the ACO's running requirements.

    They're already exceeding expectations and, if it rains, who knows? :)
     
  7. 2NA

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    Who knows indeed.

    I'm anxious to see how it turns out but I wouldn't bet any money, on anyone. Too many variables.

    I've always been a fan of the mavericks that push the envelope. I detest the rule makers that want everyone to fit into some "safe" box. DW hearkens back to the "run what ya brung" days.
     
  8. Bill Sawyer

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    Don't bet on it.
     
  9. 2NA

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    If DW performs well, expect a significant rule change, against it. ;)
     
  10. texasmr2

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    I respectfully disagree even though you may end up being right. The current mentality is that various alternatives/add-on's of propulsion are accepted (diesel and hybrid tech) but do not mess with the overall design format. IMHO I think the DW design is a look into the future even if it does not perform or is accepted by the general populous.

    Aswell since the DW is running in the experimental class they are probably years away before becoming a threat to the current format or possibly in contention for an overall win or class win. I'm just happy to see such exploration into other avenues.
     
  11. Napolis

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    Yes and no. Take hybrids. If the real goal were to be green the ACO would allowed them to be used where they'd matter not restrict their use to high speed and charging zones or reduce their tank size. The whole purpose of recapturing energy is to be more efficient. The ACO rules penalise Hybrids instead of encouraging them.
     
  12. BartonWorkman

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    #137 BartonWorkman, Jun 14, 2012
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    Not doubting, merely pointing out what driver Krumm
    and designer Bowlby are quoted as saying in an article
    on Autosport.

    "I want to go faster than we did last time [at the test day]
    and we can," said Krumm. "There are a few parts that broke
    in the test because we had run out of time, but it would be
    nice to show people how quick the car can go."

    "I want to go faster than we did last time [at the test day] and
    we can," said Krumm. "There are a few parts that broke in the
    test because we had run out of time, but it would be nice to
    show people how quick the car can go.

    Bowlby: "We won't be able to go as fast as we hoped – there was
    the potential to break the 40s but we probably won't be able
    to do that now without all the bits and pieces."

    What other "bits & pieces" (besides this trick diff) could
    they have run out of time on? The point being why only
    test the car leading up to Le Mans rather than actually
    racing as they could have find at Sebring or Spa?

    It seems they're learning lessons on the first day of
    qualifying that should have been sorted a while ago
    and still four more hours of qualifying to go this evening.

    http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/100339

    BHW
     
  13. texasmr2

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    Thanks Jim as you are much more astute about the rules than I am.
     
  14. David Lind

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    With respect to the DW not having spares, don't forget that this concept is pretty much tabula rassa (sp?) and there's no parts warehouse to raid. This isn't like the Porsche 962 days, where dozens of entrants had years of "run until something breaks" experience.
    All things considered, I think the project has a acquitted itself extremely well. This being Flag Day, I say they deserve a salute for waiving it in France. All American Dan, indeed!!
     
  15. PSk

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    I'd still hate to race this thing ... one thing doing laps and having to judge/guess where the rear wheels are, but in the thick of a battle this thing is going to trip over other cars.

    I find it amazing that the shape makes that bigger aero difference to warrant that driveability issue ... surely we can get the same aero advantages and have a wide front track so the car could be accurately placed in corners and battles ... ?

    Maybe that will be version 2 ...
    Pete
     
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  17. David Lind

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    Alternate fuel racing is only acceptable if it still makes noise! I'm all for the DW and other innovations, but I would not, quite frankly, want to see an entire grid full of Delta Wing cars. In fact, my interest in Indy car racing has dropped about 40% since it became a spec car series.
     
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    P 4/5 Competizione M (KERS) still makes noise.

    The question to me about the Delta Wing is how is this relevant to sports cars?

    It's not a real 2 seater. What relevance does it's technology have to road cars?
     
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    It's supposed to be racing not peewee soccer. Creating an advantage is supposed to be what it's about.

    Rule changes to influence the outcome is what's unfair.
     
  20. 2NA

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    My guess is if there's a crash, there won't be a version 2.
     
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    I atleast hope the camera gives it some airtime so we can see how she corners, we might be right or we could be surprised.
     
  22. Bill Sawyer

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    There are other racing venues besides Le Mans.
     
  23. texasmr2

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    Very true and there could be shorter wheelbased versions for various tracks. I think all I am hoping for is that it finish's the race as that would be a huge achievement.
     
  24. TurboFreak650

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    That's the problem with racing, there WILL crashes and you will have wheel-to-wheel battles. And I don't think it will fare well in those situations. Much like a "Smart" car wouldn't be very smart to have a wreck in. :eek:

    I simply don't have interest in low HP/slick aero racing either, and I'm sure I'm not alone. What if they made the aero so slick that 200 HP would be enough to compete? No one would care because it wouldn't be exciting.
     
  25. pamparius

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    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJAiZVuC3YI[/ame]
     

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