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Detect Deceit Book; Liar Liar Pants on Fire !

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  1. vegas

    vegas Formula Junior

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    #1 vegas, Jun 27, 2012
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    (Site Administrator - feel free to remove this post if it contravenes any of our guidelines - it's meant to be helpful - not profitable.)

    Last night, I was reading the thread "Finally Got my baby home!! Not all fun and games though..... " and read how much 'Up4Speed' hates liars. That post coincidently coincides with the launch of my book in the US - "Detect Deceit; Become a Human Lie Detector in Under 60 Minutes".

    [The book is published as "Lie Catcher" in some countries and "Sé que mientes" in others - but Detect Deceit in the US and Canada.]

    The reason I wrote this book was that I wanted people to be able to protect themselves emotionally and financially from devious liars - as Up4Speed initally felt he encountered. I'm not posting this to try to sell more books (I don't need to, it's for sale in several countries and languages - so I don't need to spam my Ferrari bothers to push book sales)

    I'm really posting it, so if you are involved in business/finances as many of us F-Car owners are and but haven't got the time to read pages of theoretical BS, but want the skills - this will book will get you started quickly. If you don;t want to buy the book - I've posted some helpful hints at the links below.

    Sorry if I have offended anyone with this post :)


    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u70hM2kqMkQ[/ame]
    http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/lifematters/lie-catcher/3590894
    http://www.amazon.com/Detect-Deceit-ebook/dp/B0088Q0HYM
    http://www.facebook.com/pages/Lie-Catcher/190266744367558
     
  2. vegas

    vegas Formula Junior

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    Also, feel free to PM me if you have any questions about detecting deception, or lies and lying - but only for F-chat members please.
     
  3. up4speed

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    Nice job. Unfortunately, I learned my techniques from being lied to continuously by people every day for over 20 years at my job! I don't break down each movement or verbal hint, I just automatically process all that you talk about without realizing it. I then draw a conclusion to be in "alert" mode. Fortunately/unfortunately I'm usually correct. I would rather be a little naive, it would be less disappointing at the end. It tends to make me more angry when I know up front that I'm being lied to. It's worse for me to accept when someone NEVER had any intent to do something, or not do something, and lied about it. Rather than just not getting around to it, or having a legitimate excuse.
     
  4. Spider360Matt

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    #4 Spider360Matt, Jun 27, 2012
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    We are lied to daily. Its part of the human DNA. The difference is the magnitude and outcome of the lie. And, our willingness to expose ourselves to 'selective truth' is often part of our own wishful thinking DNA. We somehow create a vision in our mind that we are different and this will be a good outcome. The very nature of language and interpretation says that conflict, even with the best intentions, will surface. Consider just how engrained lying is...

    "Yes honey. You look great in that dress."
    "No. That doesnt bother me at all."
    "I have no problem working late."
    "I would love too!"
    "I promise to pay you right back as soon as I get paid."

    The worst part about the above is that as the recipient, we often smell the BS as its being delivered; however, because its to our liking, we eagerly take it in and move on. This is what really compelled the story about this car sale. Seriously, well over 100+ posts by the original author and very detailed accounts of the status etc...lots of energy in the aftermath about the pain in the post sale process. The buyer, despite how exposed they felt (checking several times on their understanding of his request) wanted to beleive. I would suggest that he knew that he was exposed and would see problems upon delivery, but because he WANTED to believe what he felt was a lie, he actually assisted them in following through.

    I guess what I am saying is that detection will be difficult because as humans we lie constantly. And, when we are faced with a truth that is inconvenient we are faced with our own internal mechanics that will overlook the lie because facing it means confrontation and added pain up front to ourselves.

    This same condition in our minds to beleive the unbelievable is what Vegas was built on, why people smoke, and what fuels the sales of lottery tickets. Unfortunately, if something doesnt feel right, it almost always isnt.
     
  5. since-15

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    My favorite, "Yeah, I'm up."
     
  6. vegas

    vegas Formula Junior

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    spider360matt - you're exactly correct - there are definately different categories of lies and how hurtful they are.

    Broadly speaking there are two categories of lies; Self-Focused and Other-Focused. Self-Focused Lies are told to help the person telling the lie, whereas Other-Focused Lies are told to help another person.

    Other-Focused Lies are lies that are focused upon another person. They are usually told with a good intention by the deceiver and in most cases, if the truth is discovered it is not overly hurtful to the person who was lied to. These lies are sometimes referred to as White Lies or Good Will Lies and the motivation for telling them is to benefit or protect another person in some way. For example, a person may meet a good friend they have not seen for many years and say, "You've barely changed since we last met." When in fact the person could be carrying a lot more weight, have more grey hair and have aged significantly more than you expected. Regardless, this person is a good friend and it's good to see them, why should this be spoiled by coldly stating your real observations, “Gee you’ve put on weight, your hair’s definitely grey and thinning, and boy, you’re looking old. Still it’s good to see you.” It might be the last time you see them – we don’t always expect or want the truth! What was that movie? You can;t handle the truth!

    In contrast to Other-Focused Lies, Self-Focused Lies are told to provide a benefit or to protect the person telling the lie. There are four separate motivations for a person telling a Self-Focused lie to you. These are:
    1. To Protect from Embarrassment ;
    2. To Make a Positive Impression;
    3. To Gain an Advantage; and
    4. To Avoid Punishment.
    It's the last two categories that are particularly sinister and can hurt someone - those are the ones people need to be able to protect themselves from.

    How accurate are we?
    • Naturally, we are far better at telling lies than detecting them. Without specific training most people, including those from professions where detecting lies is crucial, achieve a lie detection rate of about 50%.Studies have shown - we all think we are better at detecting lies than we really are!
    • Don't listen to the experts - you don;t need to be a CIA operative or a Pyschiatrist to be an accurate lie detector, you just need the right knowledge (in the book) and practise (provided by you) - accreditted studies have demonstrated that people may achieve a lie detection rate of 80%.
     
  7. up4speed

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    Spidermatt360, you are exactly correct about what happened with me. I sensed the lack of follow through, and tried to assist them in making the right choices when dealing with me. That is the exact reason I became so upset, it wasn't just a random lie. It also wasn't an "acceptable" type lie, which I have way more tolerance for. Such as the ones not to hurt peoples feelings. I'm actually not that good at lying in those situations either.
    Last time my wife asked if a dress made her look fat, my answer was, "no, the dress doesn't make youlook fat, you do that fine all by your self" Needless to say, she doesn't ask me any more. lol (I was joking, and she is great. But I really am honest when asked those questions, I just say it in a nicer way)
    I will never ask a question that I really don't want an answer to. An answer to avoid hurting my feelings is actually a wasted question and answer. The only way I can improve my self is if I'm told the truth. If I think everything is ok, I won't change anything for the better. I do realize that I'm not the norm on this though. I guess it comes down to a confidence issue. Since a little kid I've never had any lack of confidence in my self. I have to credit a lot of things I've done in my life with this confidence. I'm trying to instill that in my children as well. I can't stand when I see bullying going on, especially if a child lets the bully break them down. The kids have to understand that it's the bully that has a lack of confidence. The bully tries to bring the others around them down to their level, instead of raising themselves up to a higher level to match those around them.
     
  8. Spider360Matt

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    couple of things....

    Self and other focused lies are very much coupled together, except for 'sinister' acts. In other words, in the simple act of telling you that you look great and havent aged a day, is protecting you from my true thoughts, but ALSO (and typically the true motivation behind the lie) that I am saving myself from the confrontation that the truth will create. We save others, but really, we are first looking to save ourselves - its in the same order as the Oxygen mask during a decompression of the airplane cabin - apply yours first, then those around you!

    The other element that you touch on but dont exactly call out is the same concept that Malcolm Gladwell writes about in his book "Blink - The Power of Thinking Without Thinking". I would say that our internal lie detection is actually much higher than 80% but we fight the instinct. We are taught not to confront, and we are even taught to fight this instinct altogether - use academics over street smarts so to speak. The professional liar (otherwise referred to as the con artist) will use this to our disadvantage and couple it with the other weak areas of our reasoning skills:

    1. greed
    2. silencing of our internal voice
    3. an inherent need to be accepted and generally avoid confrontation.

    Leveraging those areas in concert, and most people dont stand a chance. All the detection cues in the world are at a loss without addressing the shortcomings in our human condition that I have noted above.

    When in doubt...one should review the risk and walk away if the worst case isnt liveable.
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