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Diablo clutch recommendation

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  1. JohnMH

    JohnMH Formula 3

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    My new to me 1992 Diablo accelerates with absolute ferocity, but constantly smells like burning clutch. No slippage is detected, but I think it may be time to replace the clutch.

    I understand 92's have a Sachs clutch, which apparently disengages by pulling; later cars have a Valeo clutch which disengages by pushing. Conversion of an early car from one to the other is possible, with some careful machining of the clutch bellhousing and a few new parts.

    Parts for both are (apparently) very hard to get hold of; the clutches themselves can be replaced or relined (kevlar) but the TOB and pressure plate can apparently be difficult to source.

    The Valeo apparently results in an easier to depress pedal but I don't find the pedal stiffness with the Sachs in my car objectionable.

    Has anyone done the conversion from Sachs to Valeo on their early Diablo?

    Other than ease of moving the pedal, are there other benefits?

    Does the Valeo last longer or is it more reliable?
     
  2. islerodreaming

    islerodreaming Formula 3

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    Wasn't there someone in the US east coast doing the pull to push conversion using corvette parts? It was a fair while ago and the memory is hazy. Might have been on L P o w e r.
     
  3. Sledge4.2

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    i am currently documenting a conversion from the Sachs to Valeo clutch over on another lamborghini enthusiast site lamborghini dash talk dot com.

    you are correct the TO bearings and clutch disc are NLA, and they havent been for over a year. you can get the clutch disc resurfaced, but the TO bearing is a problem unless you can find a reputable source to rebuild. The main work involves machining the bell housing (Valeo clutch is a larger diameter), and modifying the TO bearing sleeve (the Valeo TO bearing has a larger diameter). You also need various other bits, like the clutch rod.
     
  4. JohnMH

    JohnMH Formula 3

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    Thanks - I have read that thread with great interest. I think I can get the NOS disc, pressure plate and the TOB through friends in Italy. How can you modify the TOB sleeve if it needs to have a wider diameter? I hope that I can find one somewhere, although I expect getting one made locally will be possible.

    If you find all the bits separately, I assume you found someone who could balance the whole assembly? I have only replaced clutches on a 911 and a Testarossa. Both came as balanced assemblies.
     
  5. Sledge4.2

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    its an easy job for a competent machinist. The ID of the Sachs TO bearing is smaller than the Valeo. Take them the Valeo TO bearing, and have him put a sleeve on the Valeo sleeve to the proper ID of the Valeo TO bearing. You also need to countersink new allen bolts to clear the TO bearing. Originally, I bought a later model Valeo TO bearing sleeve, and can see no reason why that wouldnt work. It mounts from the rear (vs the face), doesnt seem to interfere with anything on the gearbox side, and creates just as good of a seal as the Sachs sleeve. I decided to sleeve the Sachs sleeve vs using the Valeo sleeve simply because i knew it would work (because other have done it).

    if you order a new flywheel and pressure plate from Lamborghini, it comes as a balanced assembly (clutch disc not part of the balanced assembly). Those are in stock and available now. Not sure if the Sachs units come as a balanced assembly, assuming the do. If you are resurfacing the flywheel and pressure plate, I think you just line them up as previously balanced, but someone more knowledgable can chime in on that.



    If you resurface your existing
     
  6. MiuraP400

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    FYI standard industry practice is to balance each component individually, flywheel, pressure plate and clutch disc. If you balanced as an assembly, you would have to serialize all the parts of the assembly and keep them as a matched set. This would not work in a production environment. Unless you are modifying the parts there is no need to balance them again.

    Cheers Jim
     
  7. JohnMH

    JohnMH Formula 3

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    Thanks - every clutch kit I have installed had paint marks I had to line up. I will have to see what parts I can get before I consider this issue.

    I have heard it from both sides - some people swear by the Valeo upgrade, some think the Sachs works ok on an early 2wd car like mine. It seems the upgrade came as a result of the VT, the addition of 4wd put too much stress on the Sachs system. Availability of all the conversion bits will be the issue I suspect.
     
  8. JTSE30

    JTSE30 F1 Rookie

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    I had a 1994 VT from new and because a friend rode the clutch (Sachs) I had it replaced (this was in 1996) with the Valeo and it was night/day difference in driveability, with the Valeo being very easy to engage (pedal effort became very easy).

    You might check with drivenexotics dot com if the have any carbon fiber clutches available, Al Burtoni made them as a replacement, they are excellent.
     
  9. JohnMH

    JohnMH Formula 3

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    Thanks, I will check them out. Are they 'on/off' or have a nice, progressive feel?
     
  10. JTSE30

    JTSE30 F1 Rookie

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    Due to high effort/force required, the Sachs clutch is super positive, you know just where you are. Valeo, more like a Volvo, it works, it's light, but you do not have the feel like the Sachs, just push it all the way to the floor for each gear change.
     

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