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Too Funny.... If i'm brave enough. Actually I find 1/4 mile very boring, driving STARTS to get fun at 130mph. If you'd like to run-em at top speed we can, i'll buy dinner and some lap dances at Tens You'd better be carefull running a Viper at high speed though, the inferior chasis design leads to over 50% of them being crashed....or could that just be because of the people who own them

 

Dear Lamborghinisti,

I think SGT Mike does make some good points.

I wonder if the clutch design in F/L cars vs. American cars has something to do with culture. In America, we don't have high-speed roads, too much traffic, congestion, badly trained drivers. ( make that no training.) and too many d_mn laws.

What we have is the "stoplight grandprix" We all grew up "flooring it" at the traffic light as there is not much else you can do.

In europe, you can get all the speed you need.

We are all used to " a gentle touch " on the clutch on our F/ L cars but I would love to leave the line all swiggly and laying down some rubber for some fun when the mood dictates or there's a pretty blonde to impress .

.... but I know the consequences! ( the clutch, not the blonde )

I see vettes and vipers doing this all the time with no problem. They have the same hp/weight/tire sizes ...seriously,why don't they burn their clutches?


Shamile

Freeze...Miami Vice !

 

So... is that a concession that you'd lose (the race and probably the clutch) in a 1/4 mile race? It's boring because you tried it and don't like it or you know the car won't take it so you call it "boring" so you don't have to do it? I never knew people thought massive acceleration was boring - I always thought that (and turning) were some of the most fun parts of owning a sports car. Surely I am not alone?

How about a road course then - NHIS will have plenty of track days in the summer. I've run the track hundreds of times. I'm sure the Vipers inferior chassis won't be able to hang with the mig-welded thin-wall tube chassis of the Diablo, or maybe they are just slow because of the owners driving them?

I have no problem with a speed run, but I don't do my racing on the street. If you know of something longer than 1/4 mile we'll run from a dig (just don't drop the clutch next to me, unless you have a scatter shield) and we'll see how we make out, deal?

All in good fun.

 

It's been discused here before...owners of lesser cars like Vipers and Vettes always have something to prove. This thread was started by someone wanting some imput from Diablo owners and you jumped on the "Bash the Diablo" bandwagon. The Diablo is a handmade ,Aluminum bodied, work of automotive art, that when driven gives you a feeling that no Plastic bodied front engine car ever can. I've driven Vipers and Z06's, I have NEVER got out saying "man i gotta have one". If I wanted a Viper i'd buy one.... Oh, and by the way, I drag raced motcycles for years, I know more about the " feeling of accelaration" than you will ever dream of.

 

P.S. What brings you to the Lambo boards anyway? I have Never found myself surfing the Viper boards, comenting on their high accident rates.

 

Good One! LOL!

 

I own a Diablo and I agree with SRT Mike's posts. Greg, I'm not sure why your so pissed.

I enjoy going to all kinds of car boards Viper, Ferrari, Ford GT, Lambo and many others. I guess its because I'm a car guy.

 

I find acceleration with exotics quite boring. It ain't going to impress anybody, with mashing the accelerator pedal to the floor. These cars are in their element, with twisty back roads and terminal speed (velocita' massima).


Organ donor bikes are another story. ...On the highway, drop down two gears, twist it and fly !!!!!

 

Did I come across as being pissed? Far from it, thread is funny ! It's great how srtmike starts in about the size of the Diablo clutch being too small,(bad engineering) then 2na shows the even smaller Viper racing clutch is half the size and it flushes his theory right down the tiolette. Clamping pressure is the key, not size. He quickly turns this into a Viper vs Diablo thread. If you want to talk about bad engineering, the Viper chassis is a bigger issue, the crash rate dosen't lie.

Then...with the typical Viper owner inferiority complex, he challenges me to a drag race. Who was talking about racing?What does that have to do with anything? We've already said several times that the Diablo is not a drag car...but he challenges me anyway....i'm confused... Will a Viper beat a Diablo at the 1/4 mile? My god, I would hope so.... It's a huge cube torque monster.

Oh, and on a side note, remember one important fact, Al Bundy drives a Dodge

 

Ralph, I agree, accelaration in ANY supercar is boring, they are downright slow compared to big bore sport bikes. Running at high speeds is an adrenaline pump.

 

You seem to have a fragile ego... does the Diablo help compensate for that? I never bashed the Diablo, I am giving an opinion on the reality of the clutch shortcomings. As a matter of fact I said it doesn't take away from the car at all. You took it as an ego-shot and started dissing one of the cars I owned. When I responded in kind, you got all pissy and immature and started talking about "lesser cars".

What are motcycles?

I have a few drag racing records to my name. Maybe you can fill me in on what records you hold and we can compare. Or, since you're in Maine we can meet up at Epping anytime you like and you can show me the "feeling of acceleration". I am always willing to learn from an expert and since you are so sure that you know more than I can even dream of about acceleration, surely you can teach me a thing or two.

Wait... you're not just boasting on the internet, are you? I really assume you are a significantly better drag racer than me, and I would like to learn from you. Tell me you weren't BSing!

 

It doesn't hold water to come out swinging (with feathers obviously ruffled) and then backpeddle and say you're doing it in good fun when you clearly got pissed and started taking all the shots you can. I'm guessing from your post that you missed the point, or you do not understand the subject matter, or both.

Clamping pressure is not the only thing that matters. When the clutch plates engage, they wear. Just like a brake rotor wears when the pads clamp on it. When you have a lot of power wearing a relatively small diameter clutch, that means you get a lot of wear. If the clutch is small, it will wear prematurely, even wear out. What does every manufacturer do to increase braking performance? Thats right - larger pads and rotors, which means you get better clamping longer with less fade. The tilton clutch posted earlier is a racing clutch. It's not something you would put in a street car and it's not appropriate for daily driving. I'm guessing you are not familiar with clutches or racing parts and siezed upon the racing clutch angle and thought that negated my argument. It does not, because it is a racing unit first of all, and second of all that clutch is not in the Diablo.

As for racing, I challenged you to a race because you said I did not know what i was talking about, then you started making fun of my car, then you said that you can launch hard and never have a problem. Thats fine - I said I launch hard too, every week, multiple times. I'd like to see you launch hard which shouldn't be a problem for someone who does it all the time, right? Wait, you weren't BSing me were you? I hope not! So I challenged you to put your money where your mouth is. You chickened out and now are resorting to the "well I'd HOPE he would win!" line. You also say Vipers are inferior, have crap chassis, and that Viper owners have inferiority complexes. You also said you drag raced for years and have a better handle on it that I could ever dream of. Ok, so put your money where your mouth is. What do you want me to bring? Viper? R1? VTX? My turbo Corvette? My Beemer daily driver? When you backpeddled and said your car was not made for drag racing, I also said we can hit NHIS and run there too. I'll even run you in your Diablo against my BMW. You have a massive advantage. Up for it? I said all along it was in good fun. You took it personally and insulted me and my car.

Any other insults you want to get in while you welch on a run?

And as for Vipers, they are pretty respectably engineered cars. The reason a lot of them get crashed (and its nowhere near 50%) is simple - 500lb-ft of torque, no traction control or ABS, and many of them get modified and driven pretty hard. Claiming there is some inherent chassis problem that leads to the cars being crashed is just more insults and more ignorance.

This thread was about shortcomings of Diablo clutches. It was never about Vipers and it was never about trashing Lambos. It was only when you got all pissy and started boasting about how your car is so much better, and how Viper owners are inferior, and their cars suck, and I dont know how to race, and I can't even dream of knowing what you know, that I responded.

So, let me know when you'll be at NHIS and/or Epping, so I can learn how to go fast.

 

Fragile ego? You are the one who felt it necessary to prove your manlyness with a drag race. I could give a rats ass.

Dissing one of the cars you own? Ahhh you had better go back and read this thread from the begining and see who was doing the dissing.

I am a better drag racer than you? Who said that? You're putting words in my mouth now, I mearly said I have drag raced bikes and know all about "massive accelaration"

When you repond in kind? You mean saying my car needs a scatter shield for the clutch?

I have re-read my posts, I don't see how I am coming off as pissy.

As you would say, all in good fun

 

I have never had someone put so many words in my mouth as you, are you for real? You are now proving the inferiority complex i talked about. Go back and re-read the thread and then tell me I was the one that started the bashing...

 

BTW , My best friend has a supercharged Viper, we have never raced, i'm sure it's faster than my Diablo but he has never felt need to race me to satisfy his "EGO" .

 

Keep ducking and weaving - sorry but you proved my point several posts back.

We were discussing the reason for high numbers of Diablo clutches failing. I theorized that the smaller clutch diameter was the reason, noting the Viper has a particularly strong clutch. You took this as an insult, or that I was claiming the Viper to be the better car. Rather than debate the point (which I can see you are not equipped to do based on lack of knowledge about the problem and the engineering behind it), you chose instead to come back with "my clutch is as good as new, if you want to do burnouts stick with your Viper". You also noted that you disagreed with my point, but had no argument to back it up, other than the number of hard launches you do. I launch hard too... every week, on a VHT prepped track. If you want to say that my argument that a 12.25" clutch is no more durable than your 10" clutch, then I invited you to "show me the money" where it counts. You instead came back with more insults and how you race "top speed". I then said that I'd be happy to run you at NHIS if you prefer.

The whole point of my posts has been to talk about the reason why Diablos have fragile clutches. You took it as a bash of the car (god forbid anyone doesn't think your car is the most amazing car ever in every single respect - guess what, no car is), and started flinging poop like the red-assed monkeys at the zoo. Everything from the Vipers crap chassis, the owners with inferiority complexes, etc, etc. I didn't start with you, you started with me. Then when I suggested hitting the track, you let me know that you know more about acceleration than I can ever dream about. Remember that? So I am still waiting for when you are going to show me. I've done plenty of track days, racing schools, autocross events, and I've got thousands of drag strip passes under my belt. But you know a lot more about "acceleration than I can ever dream of". Show me the money, big talker. Let's see it.

Otherwise it's all just internet blustering because you got your fragile ego chipped when someone said your car may have a component that is not as sturdy as that on other cars.

Let's hope you never find out about the shoddy hydraulic lift system, or we'll need to ensure another lashing-out at everyone who'se car is "inferior" to yours and how you know more about engineering and hydraulics than they can ever dream of.

So, let me know when you're going to show up at the track. Bring your motorcycle if you like... I am sure someone who knows more about acceleration can teach a nitwit like me a thing or to.

 

Rather than let you scurry away when the light is on you, I'm going to call you on your BS

1) I said the Diablo has a weak clutch, and I suggested that it's because it's a 10" whereas other cars with a 12" clutch can take many dragstrip launches. You retort with "if you want burnouts stick with your Viper". Yes, a very well-reasoned and intelligent response, backed up with facts and experience, right? Not. 2NA did come up with a good response, noting that 7" clutches rated at 1400lb-ft are available. You grasped his nuts tightly and rode his jock claiming that "hahahah he showed you". Unfortunately your lack of knowledge about the subject owned you, when I let you know that the Tilton clutch is a race clutch, does not come in the Diablo, does not fit the Diablo, and is not anything resembling a street clutch. Ergo, I have proven my point. We have the numbers of clutches we see getting replaced. We have the numbers on area difference between a 10" and 12" clutch. I think I've given plenty of data to support my claims. You have given "if you know how to drive you wont have a problem" and "if you want to do burnouts stick with your Viper". Win: Me

2) You said that you have plenty of hard launches in your car and your clutch is as good as new (presumably you have taken it out and checked it? Or not...). Since you are in my area, and since you disagree that the Diablo clutch is weak, and since you disagree that the Viper clutch is inherently stronger, I suggested you come to the drag strip (where clutches are tested on every run), and show me the money. I kept it friendly by saying I would buy dinner. You responded that I was a Viper guy with an inferiority complex, that the Viper has a crap chassis, suggested that drag racing was low-brow, and that you have forgotten more about acceleration than I can dream to know. In other words, you hiked up your skirt and ran away from the challenge. You whimped out. I will take that as a concession that your words are big but your backup of them is small. You told me you drag raced a lot, so clearly you know how it's done. I cannot think why you would be too scared to try it other than fear of breaking your car. The "its for inferior Viper owners" is merely an attempt to try to save face, and a transparent one at that.

3) You said the Diablo is not about drag racing... so I offered to meet up with you at NHIS and run a road course. If you don't think your car is any good at standing-start acceleration, perhaps you would be less afraid to throw some turns in? It will still give your clutch a good workout, and I will happily lead you around the track in my daily driver BMW. I'll get some in-car footage of you braking heavily for each turn, getting passed, and then re-passing me on the straights. I don't mind getting passed on the straights because I will hear how you are shifting and how much you're babying the clutch. You also copped out of this challenge, stating that you have nothing to prove.

Well, if you have nothing to prove, are too chicken to put your money where your mouth is, and have no knowledge of clutches and racing, then don't run some game at me like "I know more about acceleration than you can dream of".

I even offered to spare you the potential expense of breaking your car at the strip and said we can run bikes instead. Since you have thousands of passes on motorcycles and know more about acceleration than I can even dream of, then surely you would spank my easily. It would be an embarassment surely. But you chickened out on that too.

A whole lot of hot air, and I haven't learned anything from your posts other than the fact that you seem to take it personally if someone thinks there is something not perfect about your car. In short, you're on an ego trip and I bruised it by saying anything remotely negative about the car. Well tough cookies - next time don't bark if you're going to yip like a chihuahua and run away scared when someone calls you on it.

EDIT:
I apologize to those that I was having a good discussion of clutches with. Like I said, I like Diablos and would prefer some intelligent discouse to figure out why so many clutches fail. I still think it's the diameter - either that or they have a bad design, which I doubt since they are buying off-the-shelf units from a large OEM.

 

Just keep talking...you are just solidifying my claim that you have something to prove. I have my dream car in the garage, sounds like you don't, otherwise you wouldn't be on Lambochat.

Again , this thread was started by someone to get some info about Diablos. The clutch was brought up, and by many owners was said to be a non-issue if driven like designed, a GT car, NOT a drag car. But you just wouldn't let it die...every post in this thread by you was about the so-called clutch short comings, you just kept coming back again and again....it's like you had some sort of diarrhea of the mouth.

After several owners, including me, said the car is not for drag racing, you ask me to drag race ???? Sure, you have something to prove. That takes some real balls, challenge them to a race stacked in you favor.

The reason the clutch in a Viper can withstand launches better is tires will break free before there is enough strain to cause damage, DUHHHH, it not rocket science. Show me another AWD vehicle with the power of a Lambo that can launch hard w/o clutch issues.

You keep talking race tracks...I didn't realize these were race cars. My car is driven on the street, I have never raced anyone from a stop light, never had anyone pull up to me wanting too, they are usually too busy giving me the thumbs up and snapping pictures.

I have heard that if you sidestep the clutch at 7000rpms in a Diablo it will launch very hard with 4 wheel tire spin, i've never tried it and don't plan to, I don't like to beat my car that hard. I've owned my car for 3 years and it's gone UP in value about 20k since I bought it.

And for the record, you are the one that seems to take it personally. Is the clutch in the Diablo it's weakest link? Probably.But when I brought up chassis design in the Viper, it set you off.

We could go back and forth forever, why don't you just go to the Viper boards and gloat how you car is faster on the dragstrip than a 13yr old Lambo. Don't forget to mention though that you'll never beat one top speed down the highway, because "you don't race on the street". Who was the one that backed down?

 

OH my god...I just noticed you have 5500 posts, that explains my diarrhea of the mouth theory.

 

Almost forgot to ask. Have you ever driven a Diablo?

 

LOL LOL

Appart from this, I don't feel like reading this thread anymore, you ruined it with your "who started what first" thing.