Die-cast vs. Resin Model Ferraris

Hey everyone,

I have a general question for you guys with die-cast collections… What’s your take on “resin” models? Do you consider resin models part of your diecast collections? I think some of the 1:18 resin Ferrari models look awesome but they lack of general functions such as open doors and hoods and they are extremely expensive to buy. If you want to post a few picts of your resin models… go for it.

 

Does anyone want to add anything?????

 

Resin models are generally better in the sense of selection. It is very expensive to have small quantity diecast models where as it isnt as expensive to have low quantity resin models. You can havee resin models that open, look at the MR model cars (1/43)

With resin, it makes it possible for a mondial owner to have a model of his/her car even though Mattel might not think there is a large enough market (10k+)

e

 

Ok then... So why are all the resin Ferraris I've seen cost between $300 - $600, especially in Europe and on your website? If resin is cheaper to make, then why should some one pay 10 times more that a diecast car from Hotwheels???

 

The issue with resin models is quantity. The models are more expensive becuase they have lower quantity. We give a competitive price for models that other people do not have. If the model will cost us 30 we wouldnt charge 300 but if it costs 250 we would. We get certain prices and we pass them on. We are looking into manufacturing also.

e

 

I've never heard of a 1:18 resin model, who do produce such models?

 

Doesn't BBR? As far as I know, many shots of the upcoming 375+ in development were of resin cars... If they'll be released as diecast, I stand corrected...

As for resin cars, the only one I have is a 1:43 kit from BBR of a 275GTB/4. I bought it off eBay because it is my favorite (1:1) Ferrari, and there aren't any (modern) releases of that vehicle in 1:18. I know, I know...Guiloy or somebody released a couple, but I'm really not impressed with the level of detail. I can't justify spending Mattel Elite money for Maisto quality on Ebay, just because it's "rare."

I still haven't gotten around to building the damned kit, though!!! Something about the *teeny* tiny parts makes me a little nervous that I'll screw it up.

Aaron

 

A few of my resin Ferrari 1/18 models:
From above to under:
Auto Avio 815 (first Ferrari car)
125 F1
340 Fontana
375 Formule libre Indy
750 Monza
860 T.R. Monza
250 T.R. Prototipo
250 TDF
250 Breadvan
F1 86 1986
333 SP Racing for Belgium
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Please tell me where I can get that 333SP!!!!

 

333 SP racing for Belgium:
Model from: Magic Models on scale 1/18 for 333£
Pentoy Vehicles: http://www.e-collectable.com/search.asp?search1=xxMAG&groupval=8

 

To me it doesn't matter really whether it is metal, plastic or resin. Functioning doors and wheels are a plus, but most important to me is that it is a model I don't have in 1/18.

Anyway, I want that F1. Got a source? Didn't even know that existed.

 

Resin models on 1/18 made by:

Magic Models
Rosso Models
MDS Racing
Matilde Models
S.M.S.

 

The F1 - 86 is a Resin model (kit) by Studio 21, on scale 1/20 (selfmade)

 

1/20? ARRGHH!!!

Why would somebody scratch build such a beautiful car and go through all the trouble and pick a scale so unpopular?

I already have a 126 in 1/20 scale and feel rather unhappy about the wrong size. Heck I had a 1/16 F1 from the fifties and just gave it away. 1/18 or bust!

 

I can check at home. Is that the car you are looking for? or is it something else but similar

 

I can check at home. Is that the car you are looking for? or is it something else but similar

 

I collect Ferraris in 1/18. Anything goes. But I have a very strong appetite for F1 Ferrari in 1/18. I have all the more common models from Exoto, Minichamps and Mattel. So anything out of the ordinary is always highly interesting.

 

Theres also MG Models that makes 1/18 Prodrive 550 and 575 GTC with different liveries. You can get them as a kit(around $180) or a fully built one($300-500).

 

I think you way oversimplified the word "quantity". Its far more complicated than that. The resin is expensive for severasl reasons, quantity not being the most important factor. With resin, the cost is in setting up a mold that you will only get about 60 castings out of that makes the price high. Then you have to make a new mold. Its the hand made nature and cost/time of the pattern making, mold making, casting, which is all by hand that also keeps price high. You can make 400 castings and they will still cost as much each as if you did 60. Its the whole process. Also these resin kits are far more complicated that the average $30 diecast. Some diecasts are nice like the $300+ BBR, CMC, GPM but many and toy like. The modelers who build high detail replicas like the resin kits because its attention to accurate detail. Most modelers couldn't care less about opening doors if the body proportions are not correct. Its a different mentality. This is not to put down diecast collectors but they simply do not have the eye a experienced model has. I know I will offend DC collectors but its a fact. The proof is in what they buy and think are nice models. Scale accuracy is of utmost importance to a model builder. Not an opening door. To get accuracy it takes time and patience in the pattern work. THAT costs money. And with a resin kit a very skilled modeler can lay down a far nicer paint job. You can also add as much detail as you like. The average DC collector will just put it on the shelf. Diecasts are made in larger quantity because the machinery is set up for that. They also need to sell tens of thousands to pay for there tooling to make them so cheap. So in that regard quantity is a factor. But with resin its more the time/cost of the materials to make the resin cars, not just that they will only be made in the hundreds and not thousands (in some cases they have gone into the 1000's)

I have been producing/retailing/wholesaling resin cars, kits and builts for a very long time. Some diecasts are very very nice but will never compare to a hand built model by a skilled modeler. Thats not to say some of these diecasts are not great values for the money. Some are fantastic, and they are getting better. But the market is made up of different people. My customer knows what they are buying and will pay $600 to whatever is necessary to get the model they want built. Obviously these are not everyday DC buyers. The model builders will spend $300ish . A DC will not satosfy them.

If you have no intention of ever building then DC is for you. You can put some nice cars on the shelf. But once you start building your own or collecting real hand built customs, its like the difference between having a White Castle hamburger or a Cobe steak.

Also the scale's are different. Most resin is 24th and 43rd. We are seeing some resin in 18th now as people are trying to fill the holes the DC makers skipped. For the most part the builders like 24th and 43rd. I am even considering coming out with an 18th scale Ferrari. Profil24 is making an 18th scale 312PB and 712. MDS makes a bunch and MG Models has the 550/575 series cars.

I guess it comes down to if you just have to have a certain model car, than you will pay what you have to pay to get it.

Ed
Island Collectibles, Inc
www.islandcollectibles.net

 

F1 model kits are far more popular in 20th scale than 18th. I wish they would do them in 24th. Theres more selection of overall cars and you can fit more and add plenty of detail.

Ed
IC, Inc

 

The one I have is the 1996 F310 with the Marlboro Logos, from Paul's Model Art. I can't seem to find it. I bought it from "Red Fire Dragon" a few months back when she was selling her collection. I got 4-5 very nice F-1 cars in the box from her. the F310 was the only one without a box. There is a small store in San Antonio, "Small World Hobbies" call there and see if they have anything. This guy has collected toy cars and trains for the past 60 years and now he has this store to slowly sell off his personal collection. I bought several nice F-cars from him, only a few 1:18, but I know he brings a few out to sell once in a while.

 

Hey tifosi12

We share the same concept of collecting... if it's not 1:18 scale... hell with it! I feel the same way... 1:16, 1:20 "what’s up with that"!

Rob

 

Thanks. I'm really a space nut at heart (Ferrari is like the 2nd passion) and with my space models scale is really THE most important thing. I rather take a soso model in the same scale than a perfect one in the wrong scale. A model in the wrong scale is worthless in a collection where comparing them is part of the exercise. That is not that important in cars, I realize, but it still bugs me when the scale is a little bit off.

 

When you put it like that, it's quite understandable... Very good explanation.

 

Hey Guys,

I just purchased my first resin Ferrari... It was expensive... ouch... but I think, worth it! I have a feeling that more will follow. Please if you have this same resin from MDS... please let me know your thoughts on it?

Thx
Rob
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