Dinged, dented and (un)loved

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0355AL 375America with a lot of patina...

http://barchetta.mediacenter.studioline.net/-/0355AL-Ferrari-375-America-PF-Coupe/?i=1401372&rd=1964537&fd=1966706

I think it looks better like this than it does as totally restored

 

Was that spin while competing in the Pomeroy?

 

i have seen the car in both conditions and i think it was correct to restore the car. that kind of patina on a race car would be different.
But on an elegant boulevard-cruiser like 0355AL it looks bit weird.

 

I agree.....it was interesting to have the opportunity to see this car in both conditions, but this car is over the top in restored condition.

 

My personal view of "patina" on road Ferraris and non-original race cars is:

Carefully photograph and document the condition of the car. Save samples as possible of the original replaceable materials.

Then - restore it to original condition. If you cannot afford to do this, then sell it so that someone else can.

I think this current worship of ratty patina is a passing fancy.

After all, the "patina" does not represent the cars as they originally were made, just the way they were left out in the weather to deteriorate.

 

phunny... does not meet what is the universally accepted definition of patina

that is an example of deteriorating paint and neglect... primer, peeling paint and rusting metal have nothing to do with patina...

it's more llikely a euphamism for " I'm broke and don't have the resources to repair it and other things that are going wrong"... or " I really don't give a damn or could care less"...or
"there are plenty of clewless suckers, calling it "patina" will bring a better price"... :=)

 

I would be interested in exactly what the "universally accepted definition of patina" really is...

I thought that primer, peeling paint and rusting metal were certainly part of it - along with cracking and worn-out leather, delaminated glass, pitted chrome, dents and dings, and so on...

 

look into it...

nothing in that photo matches up with any definition of "patina" except that of the person hyping the car...

 

In part I agree with you. Some cars shown here are a bit much. However, some have just the right amount of patina overall and I would just leave it like that providing it is original. And...

Just drive it!

 

Agree with that. I wonder if I left my '91 Honda outside in the rain,and dented the doors more and left them open, would it bring in double the money, say $ 600 if sold.

 

absolutely, if you follow current trends, maybe a triple if you can park it in a shed next to a busy dusty dirt road and add "barn find"... maybe a double of double :=)

 

There was an amazing original white d-type in one of the tents at Limerock 5 or 6 years ago. It was too cool.

 

i cant seem to upload any pics so heres a link. It was much more rough in person

Top row

https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=cunningham%20d%20type&psj=1&gs_sm=3&gs_upl=46304l52368l0l52880l17l17l0l4l4l0l213l2380l0.11.2l13l0&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&biw=1376&bih=595&wrapid=tlif132979462379210&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=bA5DT-SFI-na0QHN_vSoBw

 

Great, Ill cut you in for 50%

 

same spot probably last 10 years, same owner over 30 years

But..... inland in California
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shaking head.......nice example.

Reason for the neglect???

 

Warren - leave it on the street in Mangere for a few nights and it will get extensive racing history as a bonus

 

Lost interest, bought the man's daytona ALL apart over a year ago

Age thing

Been there, done that, got the tshirt

 

Thanks for the advice Andrew. Got to laugh at that, its nearly true.

 

Sorry that is neglect. Patina is correct use including maintenance, such as stone chips and oil stains under the bonnet ... not banging dents into a car and allowing cars to rust to the ground.

If a dent was caused by a period racing incident then it might be worth saving but any dent since the 1975 is abuse as their racing careers are over (for most important racing Ferraris).
Pete

 

#0346M before restoration, when sitting in a Florida swamp:

http://www.dkeng.co.uk/restorations/54/Previously_Restored_Cars/Ferrari_166_PF_Berlinetta.html


250LM #6023/6313 after a hard hit at Goodwood:

http://www.dkeng.co.uk/restorations/49/Previously_Restored_Cars/Ferrari_250_LM.html

 

Well, then a lot of the pictures we see on the "patina" subject really are neglect according to your definition - (which I agree with, incidentally).

 

A Ford GT40 which shows up at Norcal events from time to time (caught here at the 2005 Wine Country Classic):
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That 375 photo was taken at Concorso Italiano in 1999. I saw the car in person. At the time, it was owned by Charles Betz and Fred Peters. They are the preeminent collectors of Ferraris and were certainly not strapped for cash. The story I heard at the time was that they were planning to restore the car, but thought it would be fun to drive it around like this and not worry about door-dings and stone chips. The paint was falling off of it while they drove and even gave out small pieces of it to people at shows!