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Dino 00378 on BaT

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  1. swift53

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    I am surprised it has not bid higher, as to me this is much more interesting that a C&F that went for the 800+K.
    Maybe later, as the players are watching ...o_O

    Regards, Alberto
     
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  2. nis1973

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    I think all action on BaT tends to occur on the last day or so.
     
  3. swift53

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    Yes, except on 00378, it was the first 2 days.
    And on this 208, we are miles away from value, so what's the worry?

    Mostly, you are right, as the last day or so, except this Dino has been verrrrry slow. Hmmm.

    Regards, Alberto
     
  4. Martyt

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    What do you guys think the reserve is set at? Am thinking at least $750K
     
  5. dm_n_stuff

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    More like the last 10 minutes or so.

    This ends up at $650K+ and a no sale. that's my guess.

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  6. UroTrash

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    With property prices dropping and the wealth-effect going up in a puff of smoke, we may well be on the (soon to be) steep decline.

    Or not.

    My Spidey Sense is tingling.
     
  7. dm_n_stuff

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    Now that Dino prices are out of reach for all but the uber wealthy, that may have less of an effect than one might think.

    On the other hand, could these be slipping back down into, "DM can afford one again" territory? Nah, I wish.

    But you are probably right that the heady days of $800K "sales" of these on BAT are probably over.

    The price adjusting does seem to be taking place in more pedestrian BAT auctions. Porsche 911's (1999-2012ish) are not fetching the numbers they were only a month ago. Sellers there seem to have already adjusted their expectations as a result. BAT numbers on these still seem to be pushing the envelope, but not nearly as far as they have.

    I think we're seeing the effect most profoundly in the regular used car markets. I'm guessing Carvana is sitting on enough overpriced inventory to give their bottom line quite a whack when they adjust them for market conditions at the end of the year. They're also dropping prices on their inventory at a faster clip, and more steeply, than they have in the prior 18 months. (Which may also have to do with some of the issues coming to light with their general business practices.)

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  8. 375+

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    Shills are snoozing.
     
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  9. dm_n_stuff

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    Sold at $620,000
     
  10. UroTrash

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    Unless the market has turned, about $200k light.
     
  11. dm_n_stuff

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    I am surprised that Bill took the offer, or perhaps more accurately, set the reserve low enough for this big to take this car.

    Not so sure it's $200K light, and a little surprised Bill didn't try to find a private buyer first. (And who knows, maybe he did try, and couldn't find one at a price he liked.)

    I think $700K would be good money for this car in this market. Remember the 206 buyer is a completely different animal than a 246 buyer, or at least I think so, fewer of them, too. I wouldn't want a 206, despite the rarity, and also because of it.

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  12. UroTrash

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    I sure many here remember when 206s were thought less of than 246s because of difficulty with parts supply. Then, it seems, about 10-15 years ago that changed and they were perceived as more valuable.
     
  13. omgjon

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    #14 omgjon, Sep 9, 2022
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    He could of done a lot more like put correct tires, put correct carpeting in the trunk and a few other things which might of helped. In my opinion the color hurt the price also, it was nothing special even though the color was original. These are unique cars and a color other than red which the majority of 206's were would help the price in my opinion. A unique color that was original to the car. The car also was a driver and not in restored condition. I think a fair price overall. One of the over riding decisions in buying the 206 which I'm working on now is that it's original color is Dino blu metallizzato. I think a good restoration with a good original color could be the first million dollar Dino!
     
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  14. miurasv

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    #15 miurasv, Sep 9, 2022
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    Correct Michelin 185 VR 14 tyres are not available. However #00378 does have the Michelin XWX 205 70 VR14 tyres as fitted on the later 246s so they are the most correct tyre available. In the pictures of the car underneath, which must have been taken earlier, the car has incorrect tyres.

    A rarer colour that was original to the car may have made it worth more but I do not believe the colour hurt the price of the car at all. It's the original colour. A non original colour would have made it worth less.
     
  15. miurasv

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    It does have an incorrect spare tyre though.
     
  16. dm_n_stuff

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    Michelin is not the only tire that can be fitted on a 206, or any Dino for that matter, even to pass muster at an FCA concours. Vredestein makes the same size tire, and it is readily available through Tirerack.com. Although certainly the wrong tires made zero difference in the final bid price. They are, after all, a cheap fix compared to the vehicle price. But not being able to fit Michelins at this time would not prevent the car from having the right size, concours correct tires.

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  17. miurasv

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    #18 miurasv, Sep 9, 2022
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    Sure, but they are only H speed rated. Vredestein. I'd want the full V rating on my 206 thanks. ;) That's why I'd go Michelin XWX 205 70 VR14, as fitted to the 246, some of which were fitted with Goodyear tyres.
     
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  18. Martyt

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    I agree regarding the color but I still think car was very well bought but, with that said, FMV is willing buyer and seller. I wonder how many 206s are left— maybe 100 of the 150???
     
  19. V12addict

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    For those of you in the know, what are the performance differential between 206 and 246? Acceleration, cornering, Braking and sheer driving experience ??
     
  20. Martyt

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    I have not driven the 206–slightly lighter car and less robust HP. My guess— can’t be be too different from my 246 but I will let others chime in. It is very rare so that has to to count for something— color is not rare as Jon pointed out— so that is a strike against really what is a fabulous first generation Dino
     
  21. miurasv

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    Red colour 206 as a percentage may be high but don't forget that they only made a small fraction of 206s in comparison to 246s so the number of red 206s is still very low.
     
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  22. tx246

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    Realistically, maybe 70, in all states of condition. Yes, it is possible one or more will surface, but at this point, even the basket cases are counted and known.

    Keep in mind, as recently as 15 years ago, these were the bottom of the barrel Dino’s.

    It wasn’t until I saw OMGJON take the first one apart that I realized how different they were. Truly an artisan built Dino.
     
  23. GermanDino

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    about 120 to 130 are left (out of 154) .... up to 60 are in Japan!
     
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  24. GermanDino

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    to be precise at least 137 cars are left, for 17 cars no sign of live, out of the 17 cars there are 7 cars confirmed distroyed... 10 with any records beyond first owner....
     
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