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Dino Coupe Chairs And Flares *07520* At Scottsdale

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  1. 4CamGT

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    #1 4CamGT, Dec 9, 2018
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    https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/az19/arizona/lots/r0035-1973-ferrari-dino-246-gt-chairs-flares-by-scaglietti/725205

    This will be interesting to watch. Definitely a rare and desirable Euro Spec Dino. Description talks about it having an accident in the 1980’s. If you look at the side view you can see the front wheel isn’t centered in the wheel arch. Maybe the wheel is just turned a bit? The rear wheel arch looks wonky and wrong. The front end sheet metal has some issues and doesn’t look aligned and the horizontal feature line above the bumper should go uninterrupted seemlessly above the grille opening with the grille just kissing it. Books and manual pouch look like reproductions. Reproduction Campys? Wouldn’t they have “Dino” cast into them? This is only my opinion from my eye.
     
  2. racerboy9

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    #2 racerboy9, Dec 10, 2018
    I bought that car years ago as a parts car and later sold it off. Given what it looked like when I had it, it looks great now. I was in contact a little with the owner during its restoration and he seemed to be doing a first rate job with a good company to get it right. Great color and very nice photos!
     
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  4. 4CamGT

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    #4 4CamGT, Dec 10, 2018
    Lots of nice detail and great colors. Shows a page of the Classische Red Book and confirms it was changed from its originally Blu Dino Metallizzato/Beige 430. The auction description mentions the engine number but doesn’t confirm it’s a matching numbers example. Did it have its original motor and gearbox during your ownership? It would be of value and interest to see more pages of the Red Book.

    The black waterline on the front apron isn’t doing it any favors by ski jumping upwards. This contributes to something visually not aligned on the front. Should be level.

    Being one of five Chairs & Flairs Euro Dino Coupés as described by the auction text and possibly the last one would make this truly rare and valuable.
     
  5. racerboy9

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    #5 racerboy9, Dec 10, 2018
    No engine/gearbox when I had it. I bought it from Tim Stamford for $1,100 and towed it home. I think he must have pulled the engine/gearbox. I still have a few stamped panels and door shell from that car.
     
  6. 4CamGT

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    #6 4CamGT, Dec 10, 2018
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    $1100! It would be interesting to know what was damaged in the accident. This will be an interesting auction in that the bidders will be judging how much they would pay for a Dino with this special provenance but with questions about matching numbers, quality of restoration etc. Hopefully someone tracks down its original drivetrain. Maybe Tim Stanford still has it? By looking at the photos, it looks like a fresh restoration and not driven by looking at the red exhaust tips. I’d love to hear opinions/debate from others on this board about this car.

    Also comparing/debating a Dino like this vs the BaT Dino and the RM/Peterson Dino.
     
  7. TonyL

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    #7 TonyL, Dec 10, 2018
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    it is my understanding that not all Campy's had the dino logo on them, mine don't. they also look original to me as the inner hub has a sand cast finish in line with originals, they sort of fall in between repro and original as the ribs look smooth when compared to an original set.
    The tool kit is repro by yours truly :)
    Looks a nice car as you say but has some fundamental errors, will be interesting to see what it goes for
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    #8 4CamGT, Dec 10, 2018
    Thanks Tony. I was looking at the toolkit and thought...this thing looks way too perfect! Kudos to your passion and execution! Looking at the “Campagnolo” font on your set, are they the same? I agree the rim section looks too clean, precise and smooth to be original. These cars are like puzzles. The market will speak on this one.
     
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    #9 GermanDino, Dec 10, 2018
    I saw a few pictures of car before the restoration a few years ago…. there wasn`t a lot left...
     
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    #10 racerboy9, Dec 10, 2018
    I have a NOS set of the Campy's with the Dino logo and they are rough compared to the new reproductions.
     
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    #11 TonyL, Dec 10, 2018
    thank you for your kind words, it was a hell of an undertaking it consumed 2 years of my time - never to be repeated!

    looking at my originals I would say the CAMPAGNOLO font is different on 07520, it is much larger and more bolder than the originals I have. I suspect it was done deliberately if you follow.

    I would say they are reproduction, personally I would prefer them over the originals, 1 for cleaning, 2 for safety and 3 to preserve the originals as they cannot be replaced

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    #12 4CamGT, Dec 10, 2018
    And 4, the price difference!
     
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    #13 Neelfryer, Jan 11, 2019
    Now that I have four the original thread about this DINO heading to auction (I started an additional one early this AM) - I would like to offer an opinion.

    I think this car will do very well - whoever stored this car - spent a lot of time and a lot of money - I agree that the original color ways might have been a better choice but it presents really well.

    As for the "stance" and the centering of the passenger side front wheel in the wheel well - I always look for this with DINOS. When I was shopping for my car I became obsessed with the wheel centering - I found many cars that seemed slightly "advanced" in the wheel well - or slightly behind for that matter - I build custom cars and we spend a lot of time on stance and ride height and wheel size - it really goes a long way towards setting the attitude and impression of a car.

    I think that factory original DINOS had somewhat curious body placement in relation ti the wheels - meaning they varied - it wasn't a uniform placement from car to car - that's just a theory from looking at pictures - does anyone have a way better informed opinion.

    And looking at the pics again - 07520 looks gorgeous
     
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    #14 dinogts, Jan 17, 2019
    I don't know about the left front wheel - it looks WAY to far forward - I have a hard time seeing how it could clear the wheel arch without scraping.
     
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    #15 dinogts, Jan 17, 2019
    How can anyone tell that that is one of Tony's toolkits?
     
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    #16 Bluebottle, Jan 17, 2019
    Now you mention it, I think the right hand one looks a bit forward of the centre of the wheelarch, too (see fifth photo).
     
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    #17 dinogts, Jan 17, 2019
    In all of the side shots it also seems to be riding WAY TOO high.
     
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    #18 dinogts, Jan 17, 2019
    Also, is the leather pouch for the books one of those "made by us, but on second thought we never made it, except POSSIBLY for testing purposes only" kind of leather Dino pouches?
     
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    #20 racerboy9, Jan 17, 2019
    The chairs cars always seem to look like they are riding too high to me. I think it's because the flare extends straight out instead of sloping down as on a normal Dino. Makes a bigger gap above the top of the wheel. The front wheel opening does seem strange in the picture. Almost like the flare was stretched too far to the rear. Looks like the width of the metal behind the front wheel on Bluebottle's car is wider than on the RM car.
     
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    #21 Bluebottle, Jan 17, 2019
    I think you may have ""hit the nail on the head" there.
     
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    #23 racerboy9, Jan 18, 2019
    I hope I'm wrong but I think they put the front clip on wrong or it wasn't made correctly. Can't believe the shop that did the work would mess up like that.
     
  24. 4CamGT

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    #24 4CamGT, Jan 18, 2019
    The clip looks out of alignment with the rest of the body. Does the original drivetrain still exist?
     
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    #25 Marcel Massini, Jan 19, 2019
    07520, from the red certification book re engine:
    (Engine 11753 is out of Dino chassis #07404 that was dismantled by Eurospares in UK.)

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