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  1. yakxx21

    yakxx21 Karting

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    I need to replace mine but even after a lot of good write ups on this site it seems nobody has actually found a good replacement...in black colour..

    I see Dynamat make some good stuff but seems to be all Ali/silver coated ...I could cover it in a black vinal maybe.....but what type of vinal with withstand the tempurature being a few inches from the exhaust pipes..
    Most vinal seems to be Ok upto 100 deg c (I think ! ) ...so how hot does it get there and will it smell....many questions..

    anybody have an up to date solution ....the old one is about half inch thick rubber,,.....no Ali content but some matting I think....

    maybe we have to go to a silver look ???

    Must be some solution soewhere around the world...

    Thoughts please....
     
  2. isuk

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    #2 isuk, Feb 14, 2015
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    I'm having one made at present from a black firm grade neoprene foam. It is waterjet cut to a perfect template so will be ready to install without any trimming required. If it works it may be available through Superformance. It should arrive this week so I'll keep you posted.

    The attached photo was the prototype which was made from a different material. Version two will be made to the same template but with one small adjustment to make fitment easier.
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  3. UroTrash

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    A much needed item, thanks for your effort!

    If not available through them, would you consider making extras?
     
  4. isuk

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    Once I've had mine tested out and confirm it is suitable for use in this area and looks good I will most likely get Colin at Superformance involved in reselling them as he is geared up to take orders, do shipping etc. He has said he's very interested in them but if for any reason he doesn't go ahead I may be able to organise getting a few more made for people who want them.
     
  5. HMB-Dino

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    I don't need one (replaced mine last year when engine was out), but are there differences in shape between the various series that actually used this item?
     
  6. isuk

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    I'm not sure on different shapes for the panel on L, M and E series cars Ron but it is a valid point worth checking. This pattern was made for an Dec 71 E series car but would fit my my other 1972 E series as well.
     
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    L- and M-series, compared to E-series, should be at least different where the fuse box sits....
     
  9. isuk

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    I guess I could accommodate that by not making any of the cutouts on an L/M series version.
     
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    that would make sence....
     
  11. yakxx21

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    Thats just fantastic...I have a couple of questions....


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    Probably a daft question but will that rubber withstand the temperatures we have so near the manifold...Im sure you have studied that, so sorry to ask really..

    *** More important and as Im really held up looking for such a thing....any chance you could have two made and post me one down here in Portugal....I dont care if its slightly 'out' I can always modify slightly...dont care about cost....but if your not comfortable with that please let me know where I can buy a blank piece si I can attmpt to cut it by hand....thanks very much....

    Ken
     
  12. isuk

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    From what the supplier tells us and the fact there is a fairly decent heatshield between the manifold and this rubber mat I'm fairly hopeful it will withstand the temperature. I'll know better once it has been tested. If you can bear with me for a week or so I should have a definitive answer.
     
  13. dgt

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    Iain, Matthias,
    The L-series firewall mat (and presumably 206) are quite different to the later cars due to a different chassis design so the shape of the mat on the bottom and sides are different, in addition to the cut-out mentioned.
    Actually, as I look at your picture Iain, the top is different too and the only thing I see in common are the cutouts where the fuel tank is mounted, and even that is dubious since I can't overlay them to compare.
    You might have more luck with the M-series as I recall the chassis design under the engine is similar.

    Would like to hear how the Neoprene outer layer works out Iain...
    Andrew
     
  14. HMB-Dino

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    Also, there is no aluminum panel separating the insulation mat from the engine bay on early cars. I believe that panel started with E-series...as Rob noted in his post #30 of the "Rear Bulkhead heat shield 246 gts" thread referenced by Scott.
     
  15. GermanDino

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    thanks Andrew, maybe you can send Iain a template.....
    the 206 didn`t have any firewall mat, likely to be introduced during L-series production
     
  16. yakxx21

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    Sure hope this is succesful and await your feedback Iain ...and would appreciate if you allow me to double up on the buy....

    thanks
     
  17. dgt

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    Sure, if he wants to make some L-series firewall mats then I can supply a paper template.
    Just email me an address Iain and I'll send it off this week.
     
  18. isuk

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    I've had quite a few PM's on this so just to clarify I am not going to be having these made then supply them. They are simply too large and difficult to package so if the test version is a success I will let Colin at Superformance decide if he wants to stock them as he is geared up to accept orders, package and ship.

    Andrew, thanks for the offer of a template for the L and M series but the market for those is so small that I doubt it will be worthwhile unless the supplier is happy to make a CAD drawing of them and supply Colin on an ad hoc basis.
     
  19. GermanDino

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    Iain, not all E-series Dinos had these firewall mats, out of my head only until approx. chassis no. #05000
    Especially for the L-series it would make sence because most of the owners do expensive restorations (collection cars)
    With E-series Dinos you have a lot of "drivers" who don`t care what kind of firewall mats are in there Dinos, many try to improve heat protection... don`t want original mats....
     
  20. isuk

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    I knew about the revised E series dropping the heat shield mats Matthias. Another cost saving exercise by Ferrari during a model's production run ;)
     
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    Has Colin at Superformance decided to stock the "firewall mats"?
     
  24. andyww

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    I am not sure how much the layout of the 246 differs from the 328 but on the 328, which uses a similar foam material, the only foam which can withstand the temperature of the manifold is silicone foam.

    A friend did his in neoprene and it lasted a few months before starting to burn. I did mine with silicone and it is as good as new 2 years later.

    As I said, this might not be an issue with the 246.
     
  25. isuk

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    Not yet as far as I know.
     

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