Dino for real?

Marketing need? Heck, Ferrari could sell as many as they could get out the door.

Ferrari is not Porsche. Ferrari sells cars to race, Porsche races to sell cars. If there are too many Ferraris, then Ferrari will have a marketing problem.



12 cylinders or walk

 

The "Dino" IMO will be offered. The reason is twofold. Due to less that hoped Maser sales there is unused capacity on the Maser line that can not be used to make more 430's as it's designed for the Maser platform which the "Dino" is based on. The "Dino" uses the original Maser Coupe replacement platform which is not used on the New Maser Coupe but can still be run on the line. The New Maser Coupe is on the QP platform. Ferrari has a lot of $ in the developed but yet unused platform and the "Dino" would recoup that.

There is also a large unfilled market in Russia and China that along with the rest of the world could absorb 3000+ additional "Dino's" which would go right to Ferrari's bottom line. Ferrari is a great brand but it's gross profit would take a huge multiplier to reach a valuation that FIA would like to see should they wish to spin it off as Ford did with Aston. The Dino would help as "Dino" sales would fall right to the bottom line and IMO that's why I think we'll be seeing it soon.

I look for a 430 replacement in 3 years, a "new" 612 on the 599 platform after that. IMHO it will be a while before the "F6?"

 

I have a Maserati coupe. I think of it as 2/3 of a Ferrari for 1/3 the cost.

As far as I am concerned, it IS the new dino.

 

I suppose I am one of the few that is actually looking forward to seeing the Dino name back on a car. I also find it hard to understand why all of the negativity towards this, as a Dino would be a better compliment/companion to the Ferrari brand than Maserati. That's how it was in the beginning, Ferrari and Dino were family (the Father and the Son!). Remember, in the glorious past when these companies were run by the men and not corporations, Maser and Ferrari were fierce competitors! Knowing this, I always felt it to be an awkward association when it was first revealed years ago when Ferrari bought Maser. As a result, Ferrari turned them around and made a great car, but it was certainly a lesser car than a Ferrari and I strongly feel this was a blow to the great tradition of Maserati - no longer were they a direct competitior, but were now below Ferrari.

My only hope is that the styling will be much more exciting and adverturous, than the warmed-over, Photoshop 599 we've seen in recent magazines...

And I also hope to see the day when Maserati really comes around and meets up head-to-head with Ferrari. That should spice things up a bit (just like the days of the Daytona vs. Bora, 308 vs. Merak, etc)!

 

I think the new car this year will be the 430 CS. Between that and the 599, it's not like Ferrari has been sitting around doing nothing. I don't see a new Dino happening - but maybe it has been progressing in extreme secrecy, I don't know.

Reasons why not:

1. As far as the Dino marque: sadly, more people in the U.S. know Dino as the Flintstones' pet dinosaur than as Enzo's son. It could only be marketed with close ties to Ferrari.

2. Ferrari doesn't have the dealer network to service a high-volume car. If they sold 20,000 of anything in a year, you would never hear the end of customers complaining about how it took a week to get their car serviced.

3. Finally, Maserati is gearing up with some great cars. I think its new GranSport and Quattroporte will keep the line plenty busy. Will there be enough excess capacity to produce a higher volume Ferrari/Dino in addition? I doubt it...

 

look how good the mondial did....

 

I believe it will be badged as a Ferrari. It will likely not be called a Dino. Total world wide sales will only go to 10K units and that's no problem for dealers.

Maser line has plenty of room.

The car exists. It was originally developed as the next Maser Coupe and after some missteps with an Alfa based engine that proved to small/slow once the car was stuffed with everything buyers want today the car was redesigned with a Ferrari/Maser based engine.

They have said it's not happening. I have found that what people say is not as important as what they do.

They've spent a lot of money developing and redeveloping this car. They may not go forward but there are definitely some who believe they will.

The point about waiting a week for service is a valid one and one IMO one that has to be addressed for Maser if it is to grow and Alfa if it is to come to the US as well.

Best

 

I've been following news about this new 'Dino' for the last couple of years, here are what I have concluded so far. Take it for what it's worth, no need to argue anything OK.

It will not be badged Dino, it will be a Ferrari. A new front-engined V8 model to take the F430's place as the entry level Ferrari. The F430's successor (F142) will move upmarket in price and performance, it will be priced closer than ever to the V12 models. The new V8 itself will NOT be a 'cheap' Ferrari, it will be priced only about 15% cheaper than today's F430 and still more expensive than Aston Martin V8.

The platform is what was to be Maserati's new folding-hardtop Spider but cancelled (new Maserati Gran Turismo is based on the Quattroporte). Some people will not like the idea of a folding hardtop Ferrari but I believe there are reasons for this. First is Ferrari can not afford to have just one bodystyle for the new, expected to be volume-seller V8. If it's coupe only then Ferrari will be losing sales from the convertible market which is huge in the U.S. and some European countries. But they also can not afford to engineer it as both a coupe and a soft-top like the 360/F430, especially when they already have a working, ready for production folding hardtop concept from Maserati. The folding hardtop will be a two-piece roof like the Mercedes SLK.

They experimented with a 300+ bhp Alfa V6 engine in the spirit of the original Dino : lightweight car with small, high revving engine but this concept might not sell well in the new major markets like China so the engine will be a version of the Ferrari-shared Maserati engine probably a high revving 4.0L V8 rated at 435 bhp. Another possible candidate is the 450 bhp 4.7L V8 used in the Alfa Romeo 8C Competizione.

The new Ferrari will be a front-mid engined with a transaxle layout like the 599 and it will not be a 2+2, it will be a two-seater folding hardtop with a possible third jump seat. Like the 599 it will be a more sporting GT.

I believe it will be launched before the F430's successor (F142) as Ferrari needs to justify the higher price for the F142.

Like I said, take it for what it's worth. Cheers.

 

Perhaps the 360-F430 line will evolve into a V10 line introducing the "engine of choice" from the current F1 group - something they like marketing Upping the price, as you say, close or equal to the v12 line. That would leave the V8 slot open for a new "entry" level car that is priced at the 360 level. They could do this and never mention the name "Dino" making their current statements about "not producing a new Dino" true.

I also agree with the statements that Maserati's whole existance with Ferrari was to be one huge "Dino" line. Ferrari tech and engines in a lower price that didnt "hurt" their image. Throw in a 4-door (something they will NEVER produce but could under Maser) as well.. more $$$$. Sounded like a sweet idea at the time. Now that they are seperated (sort of...) the idea might resurrect in another form.

just my 2cents....

GT

 

Yes, exactly.

The new Ferrari will not be cheap and will not be a Dino either so they were not lying at all. Will be a V8 priced at 360 level, still more expensive than Aston Martin V8 or Audi R8.

I have heard multiple rumors about the engine for the F142 : a V10 to go head-to-head with the Gallardo and its successor, a very high revving V8 or a small but high revving V12 derived from the Enzo/599. So far nothing is confirmed...

 

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afaik F430 successor will have circa 5 litre engine, so 3-litre ferrari would be wise

 

Maybe, but Porsche sure wins races more often that Ferrari...even when Porsche was in F1 with Tag they won the WCC their first year...and then got out saying they had nothing to prove in that form of racing...Ferrari could sure learn a lot from Porsche...like how to make good looking, high quality, relatively inexpensive, fast, good handling, reliable road cars that require little maintenance...

 

Well it would be nice to have a new ferrari that one could actualy buy without having to prostrate onself to the dealer.

Preferably small light and trackable. Realisticaly there are two types of fast cars, road gt's not really usable in the USA but plush enough to pose in and those that can be driven to the track and run.

Think porche gt3, lotus, so how about a modern interpretation of a 250 swb, or even a ferrari car like the mid 90s maser baracheta, you know something for drivers expensive because it has all the right bits but not an arm and a leg.