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  1. dm_n_stuff

    dm_n_stuff Four Time F1 World Champ
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    My power window has come unwound.

    Cable will pull the window up, but not down.

    I've had the door panel off, the cable seems to have gotten kinked, or looped off one of the pulleys.

    I took the other door apart to compare them which didn't help a bit.

    ANYONE OUT THERE EVER FIXED ONE OF THESE BLASTED THINGS??

    While I'm in there I'll probably put the new motor in that I have, but I don't want to start this project without a pretty good idea of what I'm up against.

    OR SHOULD I JUST CALL ALGAR AND LET THEM STRAIGHTEN IT OUT?

    Ok, I'm ready, bring on the tips, clues, assistance, whatever you got.

    Dave M.
     
  2. synchro

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    Is one of your pulleys binding? Especially the one at the bottom, center.

    I use tri-flow on the pulley spindles, on the cable and even on the felt channel area that contacts the glass.
     
  3. dm_n_stuff

    dm_n_stuff Four Time F1 World Champ
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    pulleys work fine.

    I lube 'em every time I have the doors apart. At least 1-2X a year.

    DM
     
  4. dtortoise3

    dtortoise3 Karting

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    I fixed one on my previous car. Got the correct cable and stops from Home depot (of all places) and tried numerous times to center ( up and down lengths) the cable before I finally got it. With your experience it should be a breeze for you. I also made a diagram of the passenger side door for direction help.
     
  5. John Corbani

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    I fixed one side a long time ago. Home Depot or a ship's chandler can supply cable. Draw picture of good one and understand what does what and why. Then do a mirror image. Lube bearings and make sure cable is really secure and tight. You will be able to tighten again after cycling a few times. Good luck.

    John
     
  6. dm_n_stuff

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    I took one more look today and bailed.

    The cable is wrapped around the inside of the motor spindle, my hand barely fits in the space, and I need all of my remaining knuckles (now down to about 8) to hold a pen and work a keyboard.

    Tony at Algar now has the honors.

    Besides, I seem to have developed some trouble getting the car to hot re-start. Gonna get that peeked at too.

    The fear is that there may be some complications with the 10% ethanol having a very high detergent effect, and busting loose some crap that was best left undisturbed. Details to follow.

    DM
     
  7. dignini

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    Is the hot start problem not associated with fuel vapourizing and causing air locks? Or at least that's what I remember somebody saying...
     
  8. Birdman

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    Dave,
    I have been worrying about the Ethanol thing too. The fuel filter should catch the goop that might come out of your gas tank, but the fuel lines are post-filter. Might be a good time to replace the fuel lines and you should be safe. Maybe replace the fuel filter in a year too once it is gooped up with most of what should come out of the tanks.

    Birdman
     
  9. dm_n_stuff

    dm_n_stuff Four Time F1 World Champ
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    Not a vapor lock, at least not at first blush.

    I'll report back in a couple of days when Tony's done.

    And yes, new fuel filter on a fiarly regular basis, I think. But much of what is getting dissolved may be way too small for that to catch.
     
  10. dignini

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    Why would a dirty filter or fuel line only effect it when hot? Or am I missing something?
     
  11. dignini

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    That's on my to do list, would you email your diagram? TIA
     
  12. FarmerDave

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    Dave, any updates?
     
  13. dm_n_stuff

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    Why YES!!

    Window is fixed. Took three sets of hands to untangle, Tony finally surrendered, took the whole thing apart and re-routed the cables.

    Starting problem appears to be ethanol related. We're gonna take a wait and see attitude on that.

    And, of course, on he way there the antenna broke. The plastic toothed cable that makes it raise and lower snapped. I had a conversation with Gray at Goodman Radio in Bryn Mawr, PA. He's the resident guru for me, as he owns an early 308, all original, and has been great help getting little stuff right. (He's also a concours judge for the FCA.)

    Told me the antenna I had was all wrong, and is getting me one that will closely replicate the original. Should be in within a day or two.

    Then, it's back on the highway.

    Dave
     
  14. davehelms

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    Think you guys have problems? Think about trying to run a car on that non-flammable rabbit piss at 6 or 7000 ft altitude! The alcohol boils in the float bowls at every stop light let alone after its shut off. Alcohol, altitude and carbs, what a great combination. I am sure the "clean air" folks gave a great deal of thought to how clean the cars burn under these conditions. To pass an emissions test here one has to take the car in stone cold rather than crackling hot as with the injected cars. Bring in a hot carbed car here and it will destroy the test station equipment.
    Dave, Hope you passed on my greetings to Tony, sure miss seeing him at the schools.

    Dave
     
  15. dm_n_stuff

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    Yes.

    Sounds like fun. If I'm struggling at 500 feet, I can't imagine the trouble you're having. Mine's just a little tough to start. Takes maybe 20 seconds of grinding to get 'er going.

    I'll be sure to pass the greeting on today when I fetch the car.

    Dave
     
  16. dignini

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    So I read right, you run ethanol in your car? Please explain 'cause I don't know the why of it.
     
  17. dm_n_stuff

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    US gas is now 10% ethanol. It's just the government's way of making life a little more interesting, while increasing the cost of fuel at the pump, and saving a little dinosaur based oil for the future.

    Ethanol has a very (VERY) high detergent affect. The net result is the 30+ years of accumulated stuff that regular gas (That aslo has a much lower detergent factor to it) didn't clean out of the system, ethanol seems to be getting off quite nicely.

    Apparently it's not only older cars that are affected. I'm told that Saab's and Range Rovers are having a tough time with it, too.

    Dave.
     
  18. synchro

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    Did Tony have to use your new window motor or was the old cable servicable?


    Any word on the combustion issue?
    Several local Dinos have been to the local pass at over 3,000 feet (just 45 mins from Seattle) on several of our local runs without this same event happening. Mine barely get occasional popping.

    Corbani's recent drive with the So Cal group ran at higher altitudes and he didn't write about anything like this. Is it possible the carbs are a contributor? Perhaps the emulsion tubes could have been affected by this last winter's work you had done? Sometimes when cars sit then anomalies pop up.
     
  19. dm_n_stuff

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    fixed it with the existing cable, and three sets of hands!!!

    It has rained every day since I got it back, so I haven't been out on the road.

    Sky has cleared, gonna roll out this evening for a little run, I'll report back as to the lasting effect of the ethanol laced fuel.

    Dave
     

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