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  1. Edward 96GTS

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    hello,
    i need to reweb klippan seat belts. is the original style webbing still available?
    thanks
     
  2. HMB-Dino

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    Not 100% positive, but the webbing used in those days is likely not legal today. But of course that doesn't mean you can't use it if you can find it...wink, wink.

    I'm interested in the answer too because I've been able to cobble together the various original hardware bits so I can replace my aftermarket 3pt static belts with `correct' belts.
     
  3. pshoejberg

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    #3 pshoejberg, Jan 21, 2017
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    I have been on the lookout for the original looking webbing for years with no success. I ended up using new modern fabric in my Dino for safety purpose, but have kept the old webbing for reference. First picture is the original webbing, second picture is the substitute.

    Best regards Peter
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    This is one case where I'd take modern over original.
     
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  7. pshoejberg

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    I just bought a long set of standard 3 point static harnesses and cannibalized the webbing (Much easier than finding and buying webbing in loose weight). Cut he webbing in correct length, installed the fitting loose with needles, bought new labels from Rob and went to the local horse saddle leather smith and got here to sew it all together replicating the old sewing style from pictures. I now it is not a very engineered approach, but the new harness is certainly more safe than the old half rotten and very worn harness. Regards Peter

    PS: the harness I cannabalized was from the German fabricator Fascing Salzburg.
     
  8. HMB-Dino

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    #8 HMB-Dino, Jan 22, 2017
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    I was told that not only is the old webbing itself not legal, but neither are the old stitch patterns (at least in USA)...something to consider when updating old seatbelts with new webbing.

    This is the webbing I found back in 2011, from SeatBelts4Less (which is part of Andover Restraints...Seat Belt Webbing For Sale From Andover Restraints Call: (302)629-8508.) to replace race style belts that were in my Dino when I acquired it. Most all webbing available today is 3, 4 or 7-band webbing which isn't remotely like the original and I couldn't find my webbing on their site when I just checked. Note I haven't started the seatbelt project to replace the aircraft style hardware with correct original bits, so hold the commentary on the hardware.

    It looks like SnakeOyl only has`banded' webbing...at least that's all they show. Quickfit appears to have some possible non-banded candidates (but note their comment that pebble weave style is only for static belts which rules out most if not all E-series Dino's), but best to obtain samples before deciding. It also doesn't appear that they sell webbing by itself which is perhaps why I didn't go with them.
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    #9 pshoejberg, Jan 22, 2017
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    Let me stress that it is NEVER legal to make homemade safety harnesses or any other safety related equipment covered by rules, regulations, standards and norms. The only correct thing is obviously to buy NEW approved safety equipment fabricated by professional manufacturer. But that said, if you want to keep the old fittings then you need to be creative or keep the original worn / sun damaged / cut harnesses. It is the choice of each Dino owner.

    Regards

    Peter
     
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    #10 TTR, Jan 22, 2017
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    Although we know that on daily bases millions of hobbyist & professional individuals and shops around the globe perform safety related modifications or repairs, be they structural (i.e. collision or corrosion damage) or operational (i.e. braking, steering, suspension, etc) on motor vehicles, both modern & vintage, to be operated on public roads, if I'm not mistaken, technically (i.e. legally) speaking most such modifications or repairs should be carried out only by trained and certified individuals or facilities, at least in many parts of the "western societies".
     
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    I came across a set of NOS klippan seatbelts. Left them where they are because I thought they were extremely expensive. North of 1,500 usd. Pm me if still interested.
     
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    You should be more specific; are they static 3pt belts (L, M-series) or retractable (E-series)? Last time I tried to acquire used original Klippan 3pt static belts, they sold for about $1250.
     
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    The lawyers are always on the prowl...

    Here, very 3rd world, you are fined if not wearing a seatbelt, but you can carry 20 people in/on the bed of a pick-up truck, no ticket,
    only the ones inside :)

    I think that in a Dino, the safety belt integrity, even if 50 years old, or new, is the least of your worries in an unfavourable meet with anything larger/recent manufacture,
    on the roads these days.

    Getting a big hit by a Golf? Golf 1 - Dino 0

    CHP, never ask for the year of manufacture if pulled over, as most likely, the reason of the lights flashing was not due to lack of seatbelt usage...

    Regards, Alberto
     
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    Yes excuse me. They are static ones. Still in the Klippan box.
     
  15. HMB-Dino

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    #15 HMB-Dino, Jan 28, 2017
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    It's interesting because your `substitute' webbing looks pretty much identical to what I believe is an original seatbelt I acquired in my effort to pick up the hardware bits for assembling `correct' Klippan belts. Note that this 3-point belt seems to precede the Dino's Klippan 517-RP belts...see pic
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    They look very much alike except from the klippan fabric looking a bit thicker.

    Peter
     

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