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do 430 engines really not have a flat plane crank?

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  1. Cscat87

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  2. Russell996

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    #27 Russell996, Mar 23, 2016
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    Can't help with why the diagram is wrong but here is a photo of an actual crankshaft from an F430 - it is a flat plane crank.
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  3. treue

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    Thanks, Russ and Chris,

    Maybe the drafting department at Ferrari was just too lazy to redraw the crank with a flat arrangement after they drew the one for Maserati. After all, who, among their customers would even notice?

    I really, really, really wanted mine to be flat.

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  4. tazandjan

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    Affirmative, the crank drawings in the parts catalogs are incorrect on the F430 and California, both of which have flat plane or 180 degree crankshafts.

    Maybe this quote from the F430 WSM will help:

    "The engine is an 8-cylinder aspirated model with cranks at 180°."
     
  5. Rifledriver

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    #30 Rifledriver, Mar 23, 2016
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    Ferrari recycles parts book pictures a lot, sometimes from very different cars.

    Ferrari parts books are an OK source for part numbers which is what they are intended for. They are a very unreliable and misleading source for any other information.
     
  6. treue

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    Brian and Taz,

    Thanks for the comments.

    Of course, until I actually see my crank in the flesh there will always be a tiny bit of doubt. After all, do you know for an absolute, 100 percent certainty that your refrigerator light goes out when you close the door???

    Tom
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  7. tazandjan

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    Tom- Of course I do because I push the little button to check it. If yours has a cross plane/ 90 degree crankshaft, you must also have unique Motronic 7.1.1 DMEs because the firing order would be different.
     
  8. treue

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    I hear what you all are saying and, intellectually, I don't doubt you are correct, but I am still dazzled by Ricambi's apparently incorrect drawing. I will go to that page (Table 2 of the 430 parts list) and make a cross with my fingers at the picture. Maybe that will help.

    The same with the refrigerator light. You can push the button, even install a window in the side of the refrigerator housing, but you will never be absolutely sure that, if you cannot see the light actually extinguish, that it has a 100 percent probability of going out when the door is closed.

    Is there a name for this kind of thinking, besides paranoia?

    Tom
     
  9. KM1959

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    Uh yeah. But paranoia actually sounds better so we'll leave it at that OK? ;)
     
  10. tazandjan

    tazandjan Three Time F1 World Champ
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    Incidentally, those are not Ricambi's drawings, they are Ferrari's.
     
  11. natman316

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    definitely flat plane, it vibrates way more than any V8 i've driven.
     
  12. RedTaxi

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    You only have to listen. Cross plane sounds like a Chevy. Flat plane sounds like a Ferrari/Masa.
     

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