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  1. NGooding

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    #1 NGooding, Mar 23, 2024
    Seems like the general consensus is that the new haptic controls are more nuisance than progress.

    I tend to agree, though I'm inclined to just shrug it off. If the rest of the car is great, I'm not going to let the haptics bother me.

    However, this thought just dawned on me: if I go for a drive in cold weather, will I be able to start the car and drive it while wearing gloves? If not, yikes. Again, I won't let it keep me from enjoying the car, but that would be kind of nuts, no?
     
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    #2 energy88, Mar 23, 2024
    I've experienced this while trying to answer a cell phone while wearing gloves outside.
     
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    #3 JHNurse, Mar 23, 2024
    It depends on the gloves, not the sensors.

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    #4 NGooding, Mar 23, 2024
    Sounds like this is a no? Won't work with all gloves at least?

    I know you can buy gloves with the (ugly and sometimes uncomfortable) little patches on the fingertips. Though FWIW, I'm not sure I've seen any with patches on the thumb, which is how I'd imagine you'd operate some of the controls on the steering wheel.

    My good old fashioned buttons don't discriminate. ;)
     
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    #5 sqweak, Mar 23, 2024
    Hear me out: what if you took off your gloves for the .25 seconds it took to press the start button? ;)

    Being in an enclosed climate controlled cabin is not the same as being unprotected outside and needing to remove gloves to operate a phone. I'd surely be quick to remove my gloves as soon as the car warms up, so it seems like a bit of a non-issue to me.

    @JHNurse isn't entirely correct: it actually is the sensors that matter, that then necessitate special gloves. Specifically the issue is with "capacitive" screens/buttons that rely on electric conductivity vs "resistive". Capacitive is more responsive and often used in touch screens like phones where you want that responsiveness. From what I can quickly find, it's claimed that all the controls on the SF90/Roma wheel are capacitive, but I would think it's more likely the touchpad is capacitive and the other backlit "buttons" are resistive.

    To split hairs: your questions is more applicable to the touch interface technology than "haptics". Haptic Feedback refers to the capability that the surfaces provide feedback to your input via vibration etc, not the tech behind accepting the input. That feedback would work regardless of gloves.
     
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    #6 NGooding, Mar 23, 2024
    @sqweak, sure I can take my gloves off to start the car, but I'm sure you'd agree, that's a pain. And what about the other controls on the wheel that are required for driving? There's a difference between being able to operate, say nav vs wiper controls.

    And sure, once the car is warmed up, I can take the gloves off. But that takes at least 5 minutes or so. What do I do in the meantime? I'd prefer not to be forced to choose between warm fingers and functional controls.

    But anyway, perhaps moot? You're saying (a) reactive controls would work with gloves and (b) the controls on the wheel are reactive? Do I have that right? Can anyone confirm that they've successfully used the haptic controls on the wheel while wearing gloves?
     
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    #7 paulchua, Mar 23, 2024
    Depends on the gloves, used thinner ones, and it was fine, I can see the thicker ones not working.
     
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    #8 NGooding, Mar 23, 2024
    Seems like a good sign!
     
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    #9 SF1000, Apr 30, 2024
    Glad it got sorted out
     
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    #10 Chicko, Apr 30, 2024
    The haptics barely work consistently without gloves, good luck using them with them.

    VW have started to take them out of all their new cars, i really hope Ferrari are not to stubborn to do the same.
     
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    #11 Texas Forever, Apr 30, 2024
    WTF is a haptics?
     
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    #12 NGooding, Apr 30, 2024
    I envy you TF. :p

    I assume that was tongue in cheek. But, in case it wasn't, it's shorthand for the new touch controls (capacitive? resistive?).

    Technically, I believe haptics are actually the response you get when you push the controls (a little vibration, for example), not the control itself.

    They seem pretty unpopular in our circles. Personally, I'd prefer good old fashioned buttons and knobs. I'm sure I can get used to them if I have to, though if I have to take my gloves off on a chilly Connecticut morning, that won't put me in the best mood.
     
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    #13 Texas Forever, May 1, 2024
    Thanks, I had no idea.
     
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    #14 energy88, May 1, 2024
    "Haptics" is the IT technology term referring to unintended consequences of using a touch screen control.

     
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    #15 Newjoint, May 1, 2024
    Haptics?
    I think he meant Slapsticks!


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    #16 VladimirB, May 1, 2024
    You surely meant these gloves?)

    But, seriously, whoever in the UI team was the project lead on the steering wheel design, I'd really like him/her to get these on and try to use their wonderful digital art object on a racing track.

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