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Do u need to take roof off spider to change clutch?

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  1. Gurjeous

    Gurjeous Guest

    Sep 13, 2012
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    Hope this is not a dumb question? I got a 2001 360 spider with F1 tranny, to change the clutch do u have to remove the convertible top from the car to do it? Reasons I am asking is cause my car is at the dealer to get some work done and they r telling me I have a leak in fuel tank roll over valves and to repair that they have to remove the top. Car was in for O2 sensor change and now this popped up, so choked cause they said it gonna b real expensive, I'm cool with expensive but real expensive scares me lol. I was planning on getting clutch next year after I take her outta storage so if they have to remove top from car for clutch then I could knock two stones with one stone. Please help if anyone has been in the position where there was a leak like this, I no there is a bulliten on this year car, hopefully mine falls in the category but doubt it. Any advise right now would b great, please.
     
  2. calder1

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    Check that it's not the seals , we have done dozens of these repairs and it should cost more that $700 for labor and seals, I have never had to change a valve yet. You don't remove the roof to do a clutch
     
  3. targa81

    targa81 Karting

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    Don't early spiders need top removed for access to subframe bolts? Not sure about your year though.Why exactly were you having dealer look at car? Were you getting CEL's?
     
  4. rustybits

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    No you don't need to remove the roof exept on really early spiders. Nor to access the rollover valves. In reality, the whole unit doesn't need removal in its entirety, you can remove the fixings and lift the roof cassette a couple of inches with an engine crane to access rollover valves and frame bolts. If it has the early white valves they snap at the point where the pipe attaches due to the pipe being too short. Updated valves are orange and are fitted with a revised pipe.
     
  5. Gurjeous

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    Sep 13, 2012
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    Yes I had a check engine light, they said it was the O2 sensors but when I took it there they now think it is the air flow meters and then they emailed and ssaid that engine light came on cause there is an evap (fuel vapor)leak from the feul tank roll over valves as well. I am mechanically inclined but scared to work on this car being a newbie. I have been googling all night and it seems this is a common thing and there was a recall but my VIN is not one of them. I am waiting for a quote, any suggestions would b great
     
  6. rustybits

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    Does the engine light come straight back when codes are cleared? Evap leaks only flag an error when the motronic carrys out the evap test, early cars used vacuum and later used pressure. If its an evap leak the light takes a while to come on. A simple way to detect leakage is give the car a run and have a sniff around the front of the engine bay covers. Fuel odour under these conditions is quite prominent if there's an issue. If its an oxygen sensor it usually comes back quickly, the heating elements within the component are the normal failure. MAF's are slightly harder to diagnose, as unless it's totally shot it very often won't flag an actual MAF related error, instead the fuel trim tries to compensate until the upper limit of the parameter is reached and it flags it as a long term fuel trim error. Use of an oscilloscope to measure the signal voltage from the MAF will quickly establish a fault. An intake manifold leak should also be checked for. All of these things are fairly basic to diagnose, and any half decent shop with an SD2 should detect any of them fairly quickly.
    This is all, of course, based on your posts, and Internet diagnosis is difficult without seeing the SD2 logs.
     
  7. targa81

    targa81 Karting

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    I've had very similar circumstances and maybe able to offer some suggestions, shoot me back a PM !
     
  8. anxpert

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    I have a 2001 Spider, and had to remove the top mechanism to access the cradle to remove the transmission.

    Not difficult, but requires an engine hoist or forklift as previously mentioned.
     
  9. Gurjeous

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    Initially when they thought it was the O2 sensor, they cleared it and about 200km later the light came back on, so if your right then the O2 sensors are not the prob, the prob is the leak cause this has happened twice, the light comes on after about 200km. I bought 3 obd readers but none of them were compatible with the car so I gotta order one online. Right now my hands are tied with the dealership(waitin for their phone call), but I think their hands are in my pocket lol.
     
  10. Skidkid

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    Any reader should work. You probably need campaign 148, fixes a missing ground signal in the OBD port. You can find it with a quick search. And yes, an SD will read without that pin but others won't.
     
  11. Gurjeous

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    Thank u guys. Ended up they did a smoke test and it revealed that one of the rollover valves is leakin and it's about 3000 for them to fix it, I told em I will deal with it next year cause I'm parking car for winter. The other prob was the Mass air flow sensor, they charging 1600 to change both with diagnosis, might as well get that done. Thanks again
     

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