Do you like the new F1 scoring system.

Can you add "I would have prefered the system FOTA proposed"?

 

I really didn't kow how to answer since it is something in between. I want to see guys going fo rwins agressively, but as mentioned too many wins early on and the season is locked up.

I don't think consistency however makes for great racing...leave consistency for brain surgery...this is about balls to the walls aggressive risk taking in high tech machines.

 

What does it matter what we think.. not having a go Ferraridude..if you love the sport you just have to take it, it really hacks me off...but what can we do..like it or lump it..

 

So much for doing a survey on what us as FANS WANT!

What they really mean is: We want to improve F1 for the paying fans .....but we will take no notice whatsoever of what you think!!

What I want to hear about is how the FIA is going to make public the stewards ruling's and how there justfied..

 

I predict this season will go from being possibly one of the most exciting to one of the most boring.

Thanks Bernie.

 

i don't think consistency is key, but it's important

 

I don't think mediocracy should be rewarded. If someone wins the championship from driving conservatively and coming in 4th place all year while others try their hardest to win, it's not right ---and it's not good racing.

We should reward winning, not just going through the motions.

 

I voted yes. Because, this is where winning counts again. Instead of laying back just for that silly 'damage limitation' excuse, drivers will now go all out, overtake and hopefully the sport will be much more entertaining.

 

I voted yes after reading this article. I think that if this system had been used in the past the results would more accurately reflect my opinions on drivers abilities.

I'm very pleased that the current champion is a Brit, but I like Massa too and think that he did a better job in 2008.

 

After giving it some more thought I think I should have voted no!
The new rules encourage team orders which the FIA are supposed to dislike.. If Massa wins the first 2 races and Kimi is leading a Ferrari 1-2 in race 3 it wouldn't make sense for the team to not order the drivers to switch places. The radio communications between pits and drivers is going to be more open this year but that still won't prevent team orders being decided before the race. Personally I have no problem with teams issuing team orders but I think it should be transparent when it happens. I think that rather than banning team orders the FIA should just introduce rules which reduce the need for them. This system does encourage team orders earlier in the season which is not a good thing.
Another point is that decisions made by race stewards can have a bigger impact. Giving someone a 10 sec stop-go that loses them a win will have more impact than just losing a couple of points.

 

My only concern with this is say massa wins the first 11 grandprixs out of 20 ,what happens then?
Know one is going to want to race to be second!
I know that it will make better racing but if there is a dominant team it could end up being a bit boring and a short season.

 

How about we mix things up alittle in F1 and award points and championship the democratic style? Let's have telephone lines open and have the race broadcasted worldwide while fans call in to vote for their favorite driver and team. The day following the race we'll have another 2hr 'result show' American Idol style where the votes are tallied and the race points announced based on worldwide viewer/caller votes. Maybe this way more people will watch the broadcast and keep F1 alive.

 

Correct, yet again Max has increased the means to fiddle with the results.

Last year Lewis was penalized for driving to hard, this rule encourages it...

I'd pay good money to have Max tied up somewhere and forgot about.

 

Exactly.

The '03-'08 points were designed because Schumi could have skipped the last five races in '02 and still topped the point roster. (Under the new system, he could have skipped the last seven races.)

Then, when '08 showed the flaws in the points system, rather than reverting, they come up with something new.

Bernie is trying to design each year's rules to that specific set of drivers -- trying to micromanage every season, to generate "drama".

They should have gone with FOTA's points, and let Bernie go off to work on daytime TV (soap operas).

Much as I like the tradition of the old "9" system, it was designed when there were maybe six races in a season.
With 17-20 races a year, you have to accept points inflation. Otherwise a win gets lost in the season total.

But it's not *only* about wins. What about trying for second, rather than settling for third? The new system does nothing to change the harsh reality that the difference between 8 and 6 is meaningless over a 17 race season. If we want the whole grid racing (not just the front runners), then we need points that mean something.

Overriding the points system with "wins" is merely denouncing your own points system, rather than fixing it.

While I'm not a big NASCAR fan, and while a 4000 point season total sounds silly, it does at least give every driver a reason to finish as high up the order as they can.
In F1, if you're in 10th place, you might as well retire ... and get a new engine.

Do the math: if you apply 9-6-4-3-2-1 from a six race season to an 18 race season, you have: 27-18-12-9-6-3, in order for the position points to have the same significance to the season total.

 

Better men than us have tried, I fear it would involve a small nuclear weapon to remove him.

 

Correct ..

Not that I think it will do any good, but http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/cancel-the-fia-approved-wdc-selection-criteria-for-f1-world-championship-2009

 

Under this system, if there is a call like there was in SPA last year, I will stop watching, and I will spend the rest of my life encouraging others to do the same until Bernie/Max are 6ft under ground.

 

Remember the "results" from FIA's own survey on F1, a couple of years back? (Crickets chirping.)

I don't think the '03-'08 points system was right either. Wins should matter.

But it should be a system that combines the two -- like F1 used to have, before they expanded the seasons.

(Not that I'd expect you to necessarily agree -- under any of the older points systems, Massa would have been champion in '08. )

'08 also showed the flaws with basing the WCC on total points, too. Ferrari really bungled much of the season, and yet won the WCC. McLaren did a far cleaner job.
(While Renault gets honorable mention for "most improved delivery van". )
(In a year where nobody was supposed to be improving the cars during the year. )

 

Well I'am all for fairness, I really dont want anyone to win by manlipulation of results, but with whatever system, I don't know how any of us could say one is better than the other IF they change the results after the flag drops, this current system will make matters worse, when it comes down to handing out penalties..IMO.

 

Well, maybe. But this could be the season we get an answer to the question "is the WDC or WCC more important?". If it's the WDC drivers will be going all out to win, if it's the WCC they'll be more interested in bringing it safely home. Of course, teams might have different priorities and some will be racing to win and some will be racing to maximise points. It's potentially going to be a farce!

 

This is really stupid, while I agree the current (2004-2008) system was flawed as it did not adequately reward winning, why they can't go back to the old system of 10-6-4-3-2-1, where there is a big premium for winning I don't know. As I said this is really stupid and will be very confusing, if you take it to an extreme (like 2004), the champion would be crowned with 7 races to go if my math is correct. And why did they change it to the current system.....because they wanted more excitement later in the season, this has the potential for the opposite. One more time this is stupid!!!

 

The inconsistency of F1 is enormously frustrating to me. Whether it's capricious rule-enforcement or rules that are in constant flux, both the fans and teams lose out. It's SO much more expensive to keep engineering and re-engineering to new rules than to develop against constants. And for us fans, it's hard to grow a sport that so few understand fully.

That means high ticket prices, more cancelled races, yet more tinkering by S&M-loving fascist administrators, etc.

 

A Farce and we have not even started yet!! The supposed trouble is drivers not going for the win, well why give them more tracks they can't even Frickin pass on for starters, the design of car's in previous years has not really encouraged overtaking, give em a break, at least with KERS it could help why make such a drastic change so late, whilst we all like overtaking and drivers going for the win's, of late, has this really been a big problem, it makes me ill the lack of logic these morons have that come up with these rules!! expect crashing, blatant team orders, banzai moves, unfair penalties, oh well... If nothing else works, a total pig-headed unwillingness to look facts in the face will see us through. We shall see, I hope I eat my words.