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Does anyone have a spare E-diff ECU (part # 199174)

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  1. 430b

    430b Karting

    Sep 12, 2015
    136
    I'm sorting out an e-diff issue and was curious if someone had an e-diff ECU (part number 199174) that I could use temporarily?

    Here's my current scenario:

    - Car ran fine and was out on a cruise w/ the rest of the Ferrari club
    - F1 system EV2 hose broke and leaked out F1 system fluid and rendered car immobile
    - Purchased and installed new set of all 5 EV hoses
    - Bled F1 system but unable to bleed e-diff with Leonardo due to non-responsive e-diff control valve (valve failed bench test)
    - Replace e-diff control valve with new valve (valve passes bench test)
    - Still unable to bleed e-diff system with Leonardo
    - Car drives fine through all gears but e-diff/manettino light appears occasionally and F1 pump seems to run a bit more than normal

    My shop mentioned that a previous car had a similar issue and the e-diff ECU was the culprit. I was curious if anyone here had access to one that I could use to test this theory since the part is plug and play but quite expensive to buy from the dealer.
     
  2. tazandjan

    tazandjan Three Time F1 World Champ
    Lifetime Rossa Owner

    Jul 19, 2008
    39,191
    Clarksville, Tennessee
    Full Name:
    Terry H Phillips
    Take her to someone with an SD3 who knows what they are doing.
     
  3. steelej

    steelej Formula Junior

    Jan 15, 2007
    433
    UK
    When I couldn't bleed my ediff I heard from a few sources that the ediff does bleed itself back into the fluid reservoir as there is an in and out pipe going through the ediff so will bleed the air in this way. After replacing my ediff solenoid it worked without a bleed.

    Also the ediff solenoid is very sensitive to torque setting, I was told it should be 9NM and it can break if done up more than that, the original workshop manual procedure said 15NM but that was revised to 9NM.

    John.
     
  4. 430b

    430b Karting

    Sep 12, 2015
    136
    Can you elaborate on what you think may be missing in his Leonardo process?
     
  5. 430b

    430b Karting

    Sep 12, 2015
    136
    That's interesting, maybe I should just monitor it while putting some miles on the car this weekend?

    As far as the torque I know he just bought a ~$400 wrench just for ediff selenoids, so I think the new one is installed properly.
     
  6. steelej

    steelej Formula Junior

    Jan 15, 2007
    433
    UK
    Yeah definitely put some miles on it. I torqued mine to 15NM it worked initially then I had a couple more errors but after some miles it's been fine.

    John.
     
  7. 430b

    430b Karting

    Sep 12, 2015
    136
    Did your F1 fluid level change significantly after it 'self bled'? Mine is filled to just slightly over the metal disc in the reservoir/very tip of the dip stick
     
  8. 430b

    430b Karting

    Sep 12, 2015
    136
    The more I think about it though, I'm not sure my issue is the same. My understanding is he tried to cycle the e-diff with the leonardo but the e-diff computer was not sending the signal/nothing was happening at the selenoid and therefore no fluid came out. This is what led to the idea of the e-diff ecu malfunctioning. Another car last month had been to ferrari of Denver twice to fix an e-diff issue and when my shop got it they ended up resolving it with the new ecu. He tells me my car is acting pretty much identical to hers.
     
  9. steelej

    steelej Formula Junior

    Jan 15, 2007
    433
    UK
    didn't notice a massive change in fluid level, but when you disconnect the ediff pipes going by the workshop manual procedure you don't lose that much fluid, so I topped up a little once I was done but nothing significant.

    What errors are showing for the ediff?

    John.
     
  10. 430b

    430b Karting

    Sep 12, 2015
    136
    I just picked it up from the shop yesterday with the understanding that the e-diff light would likely reappear.

    - I started the car to leave and had no error lights (Race mode)
    - I typically drive in Sport mode, so I set the switch to Sport. Upon changing the manettino setting the e-diff text warning immediately appeared on my dash followed by the manettino symbol. These alternated back and forth between images for the duration of my ~25 minute/12 mile drive home.
    - I parked the car in the garage for ~1hr
    - I started the car again and left to get lunch ~6 minutes/1 mile away. There was no e-diff/manettino error during this drive
    - I started the car again to leave lunch (again ~6 minutes/1mile away). There was again no e-diff/manettino error during this drive.

    Both drives were very casual, so I'm not sure the e-diff would have been 'active' from a handling perspective.

    I'm planning to attend a lunch/drive on Sunday and will see if the e-diff/manettino error reappears during the longer drive.

    If the error doesn't appear naturally, I'll try changing the steering setting to Race and see if that triggers it.
     
  11. tazandjan

    tazandjan Three Time F1 World Champ
    Lifetime Rossa Owner

    Jul 19, 2008
    39,191
    Clarksville, Tennessee
    Full Name:
    Terry H Phillips
    The Leonardo and other aftermarket tools do not always have full coverage for all Ferrari functions.
     
  12. 430b

    430b Karting

    Sep 12, 2015
    136
    I don't think that's the case for this function since he's bled e-diff systems on other cars
     
  13. steelej

    steelej Formula Junior

    Jan 15, 2007
    433
    UK
    The E-diff will be working pretty much all the time so even casual driving in sport will have it doing something. I'll try and dig out the trace I recorded when diagnosing the e-diff after it was working again which shows how much it's actually doing :)

    John.
     
  14. 430b

    430b Karting

    Sep 12, 2015
    136
    Drove again today... The e-diff light came on before I got out of my neighborhood. I stopped for gas about 20 min later and after restarting the light never reappeared on the drive home.

    I'd still like to try a different e-diff ecu if anyone has a spare. If need be I may purchase a used one to test.
     
  15. BAZ22

    BAZ22 Karting

    Dec 7, 2023
    58
    i know this is an old post but how did you get on with this ?
    and its the only way i can ask if anyone has a spare e diff ecu for sale as i dont have enough privileges yet to post in the for sale/wanted section
     
  16. Sj_engr

    Sj_engr Formula 3

    Sep 15, 2020
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    San Jose
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    dc
  17. Ron328

    Ron328 F1 Rookie
    Silver Subscribed

    Mar 10, 2003
    2,627
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    Ron
    When my (right) ECU failed 5 years ago, the symptom was the engine wouldn't start when it was warm (cold start ok).
    A new ECU cost $5000 from Ferrari but replacement of the left side was also recommended, so, $10k!
    I had the problematic ECU repaired instead at ecudoctors.com in Florida for $2k and I've not had issue since.
     

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