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Does anyone here have the Superformance 16" wheels?

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  1. bergxu

    bergxu Formula 3

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    Hey all,

    I've been intending to upgrade my '82 GTSi's stock 14" wheels to the later QV 16" ones. I missed out on the set that popped up on eBay (I think they were from another F-chatter). So I'm going to order the ones from England so long as nobody here who has them reports any issues. Superformance has inexpensive parts, but the valve cover gaskets I ordered from them were of crappy quality, and one was even torn! Needless to say, I'm just a bit weary of their stuff after that incident. But the price for their wheels is hard to beat!

    Cheers,
    Aaron
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  2. Sean F.

    Sean F. F1 Rookie

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    T-Rutlands is the US Distributor for the 16" Superformance wheels.

    I've had nothing but good luck with Superformance and so have many others.
     
  3. bergxu

    bergxu Formula 3

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    Just did the magic search on the forum and found all the info I needed! Looks like I'll be calling Superformance back for a set of wheels. Although one concern is the possibility of needing the "hubcentric rings". Would it be better to just get them when I order the wheels or is this necessity only something that is required once in a great while? Perhaps the problem with the front wheels has been cured by now?

    Sean: I was just a little miffed when I opened my box from them and found one of the cam cover gaskets torn, rendering it useless in my book. I wasn't going to send it all the way back to England, but let me say I did learn my lesson in that it's silly to order stuff like that from them anyways when Dennis McCann Ferrari Parts is only an hour away from me!

    I know Rutlands is the US distributor for those wheels, but I think they're a complete rip off, like ItalianCarParts.com. It is cheaper for me to order the wheels direct from the UK.

    Cheers,
    Aaron
    '82 GTSi
     
  4. Jdubbya

    Jdubbya The $10 Trillion Man
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    Yes! Just ask for them when ordering. They can't hurt and there's no reason not to put them on.

    It may be cheaper but I'm not sure they'll sell directly to the US anymore. I bought mine direct but since have heard others were sent to Trutlands as the US distributor. Worth a try though.
     
  5. Spasso

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    Mine came through Canada:p:p

    The hubs on a QV, which the 16" wheels are designed for, are a larger diameter than the older 308's hence the recommendation for hubcentric rings for the front wheels. These center the wheels properly offsetting the chance of vibration. Get them and put them on, they aren't that expensive.

    Ironically, when I installed mine I did not know of the need for the rings and I still run without them. I am assuming that through the proper torquing procedures the wheels are centered as I have absolutely NO vibration or balance problems with these wheels up to 130 MPH.

    I believe those that have had vibration problems might have had a bad set of wheels but more likely shot suspension and/or alignment was the problem but chose to blame the wheels instead. Everyone else that I know that run these wheels haven't had any complaints.

    Good luck and post pictures.
    DJ
     
  6. BillyD

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    I just put a set of these wheels on my 77 & now notice a slight steering wheel shimmy at certain speeds, it may have been there b4 so I'm not pointing fingers at the wheels. The hub centric rings cure vibration not shimmy correct?
    thanks
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  7. Birdman

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    I have the wheels and bought them from Rutlands. They had a fair price for them when I bought them, but I would still cross compare with England. Not sure Rutlands is even still the U.S. Distributor.

    You need the hubcentric rings. I must disagree with Spasso. I have nothing wrong with my alignment, balancing or steering geometry. The 14" wheels ran true, I put on the 16" wheels with brand new tires and properly balanced and I had a vibration. I added the rings and it went away completely. I think the actual problem is that the small manufacturing differences in the bolt holes are enough to allow some wheels to not center perfectly without the rings to center them.

    The wheels are not an exact clone of the QV wheels, but very close, and they look OEM. They allow you to add good modern tires which vastly improves handling and looks. You can't beat the price. They are a tad heavier than the magnesium QV wheels, but ironically on an older car, they are about the same weight with tires as the 14" magnesium wheels with those big heavy XWX tires, so the unsprung weight is the same.

    Birdman
     
  8. jwise

    jwise Formula Junior

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    Did you tell Superformance that the gasket was torn? I only ask because they sent me the wrong hub seal for my 308. I emailed them with the problem and they sent the correct seal free, and I kept the wrong one on their request. I don't think you gave them a chance to fix the problem.

    Also- why do you think Rutlands is a rip-off? I think the key to buying ferrari parts is to shop around. I've found that Rutlands is cheaper on some items, not on others.

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/New-Set-of-Reproduction-16-QV-Wheels-For-Ferrari-308_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ43956QQihZ019QQitemZ8077078257QQtcZphoto


    Good luck with the wheels.
     
  9. bergxu

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    Basically, from everything I've seen that Rutlands has on eBay (particularly USED stuff) they're ridiculously overpriced when compared to what a specific item may cost new from McCann. When I compare their prices on the 16" alloys against Superformance directly, Rutlands is asking $300 more, and for what? The convenience of me not having to call England? I understand they are the distributor over here and they are entitled to a profit (they have to eat too!) however when you can obviously save $300 by ordering direct from the source, why pay someone else because you'll get the wheels faster because they're on our shores? Don't know about you, but to me $300 is a lot of money and I feel it's foolish to waste for the sake of convenience.

    Trust me, I've done plenty of shopping around, Rutlands is grossly overpriced on many of their things. Seems that they have the "yellow box" mentality. As for my torn cam cover gasket, I considered calling Superformance back but wasn't in a position to wait for another one. They were packed a little hapahazrdly though, which is what upset me. When I order seals like that from Mercedes, they're mounted on cardboard and shrink wrapped so they don't get damaged in transit.

    Either way, I'll be ringing the boys over in England next week for my wheels and hubcentric rings. Planning on putting the Pirelli P Zeros on the wheels. From what I see on TireRack's review chart, people are extremely satisfied with them, as well as hearing good things from local friends who run them on AMG Mercs.

    Cheers,
    Aaron
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  10. Spasso

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    I must have lucked out. When I pull the wheels off next time I'll pop some rings in there for good measure. Nothing wrong with covering all of the bases.

    Agree with all said here. I weighed my 14" with the balloon tires versus the 16" with lower profile Yokohamas and the differences were 3 to 5 lbs each depending on whether it was a front or rear wheel. The balloon 14" tires weigh ALOT!!!
     
  11. johng

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    i may be totally off base, but i thought i read on this site a few months ago that superformance has a new mold of the QV repro wheels that don't require the hubcentric rings....am i living in fantasyland or is it true?

    john
     
  12. Spasso

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    That would be nice.
    Now, if they would use the proper mold for the "face" of the rear set, the wheels would be perfect except for the slight weight penalty.
     
  13. Birdman

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    I agree with Aaron here. Most every time I have cross-shopped Dennis McCann and Rutlands, McCann beats Rutlands on price. In addition, Dennis is very polite, friendly and helpful to me. I buy most of my parts from Ferrari UK or McCann. The only time I have ended up going with Rutlands is when they are the only place that has something, such as a used part from one of their parts cars. I'm not saying Rutlands is bad or anything, they just are not usually the best price when I shop around.

    Birdman
     
  14. lm2504me

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    I usually check with Grand Touring car parts in Phoenix, AZ first. They are great guys and provide high quality products. Over the past 15 years or so, I have purchased gaskets and hard parts from them for Ferrari's, Dino's, and Lamborghini.

    Bill and Dave run it.

    Grand Touring Car Parts Inc
    Address: 516 W Lone Cactus Dr, Phoenix, AZ 85027
    Phone: (623) 780-2200
     
  15. jwise

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    Hmmm- that's not my experience, but I guess it depends on the items purchased. All I'm saying is for you not to write Rutlands off as "a complete rip-off". I've order most of my parts from Rutlands and have never gotten them in a yellow box ;) They also are more than willing to offer technical advice which has helped me out in the past. All big gaskets I've received from Rutlands came packaged on carbboard and shrink wrapped. Even the one's I had to order twice!

    I've also ordered parts from Superformance, and had no problems. Obviously, Rutlands and McCann would ship faster and cheaper.

    So, I just spent a few minutes looking through McCann's price listings for 308 parts (my only real experience). They looked very similar to my prices from Rutlands- some higher, some lower. I.e.- the fuel filter, belt tensioner bearings, are cheaper than Rutlands. The timing drive ring nuts, A/C belt, drop gear ring nut cost more at McCann. Cam belts are very close in price.

    This is just my opinion, (and not slamming Dennis McCann at all!) but the bottom line is not just price. I want a little service at the same time. And yes- $300 is a lot of money.

    Either way, the 16' Superformance wheels are awesome. I know two people with them on their 308's and both seem to like them. They can't be beat for the price- that's for sure.

    good luck.

    jwise
     
  16. bergxu

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    Dennis will beat any Rutlands price you throw at him, if he is not cheaper to begin with. That being said, Superformance will still ship to private individuals here, so they've got my order.

    Cheers,
    Aaron
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  17. jwise

    jwise Formula Junior

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    Good news on the wheels- enjoy them.

    Good to know Superformance will in fact ship wheels to an individual in the US.

    jwise
     
  18. tomberlin

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    Aaron,
    Mind sharing the final figure for a set of wheels?
    Tom
     
  19. Verell

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    Shipping for 4 wheels to MA was ~$200 6 months ago. Go to www.superformance.co.uk for the current price of wheels & look up the current exchange rate on the web. 6 months ago it worked out to about $1200.
     

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