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Does Enzo Ferrari dislike the Ferrari Enzo Ferrari?

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  1. Rev.ATARI

    Rev.ATARI Formula Junior

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    People always talk about Ferrari tradition and how Enzo himself would do things if he was still with us. LV Eric’s thread “My Theory” got me thinking about the superstitious thinking that some people have and it lead me to this.
    If Enzo was alive would he approve of the Enzo? Is he rolling over in his grave with dislike? Is the Ferrari, Enzo Ferrari cursed?

    There have been several of them destroyed, a few people killed and a few people really hurt driving an Enzo. If I was superstitious that would lead me to think that Enzo himself does not like the car and is letting people know the only way he can.
     
  2. starboy444

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    The only curse is the drivers that buy them and drive them recklessly and irresponsably.

    Having such power and performance means you need to respect the machine at all times. Same goes with motorcycles, look how many people get killed on them, whether it was their fault or not, they must be vigilant at all times, and an accident will happen when least expected.

    If Mr. Ferrari was satisfied with the F40, then he would be as satisfied with the Enzo, considering both supercars are reflections of current design and technology evolution.

    I'm sure he would also be happy because they were all sold out, and the company made a hefty profit on the entire project!
     
  3. ASK328

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    I think this is ridiculous many of the high HP cars are being crashed. The Lambo 640 has crashed many times and I hear the new Z06 has been crashed many many times, I recall a post (if it’s true) of that Swedish (don’t recall spelling) Koiengg super car that was crashed about 1 hour after delivery. Many people that can afford 1 million dollar cars don’t have the time to learn how to drive them properly. If I came into 15-20 million dollars tomorrow I would go buy an Enzo, f40, and 288 GTO as soon as I could find good ones. I would then get in my Enzo after it got unloaded in front of my house and be totally unqualified to drive it – however I would drive it hard. This happens, the cars that are out today are incredible super cars that an average or even good driver is not qualified to drive at the limit – and from what I hear and read it’s not hard to get any one of them including the Enzo to the limit very fast. Would Enzo like his car, I would guess YES, the car is 10 times more beautiful in person then pictured and the performance was the maximum that Ferrari could put into it at the time. People dieing in these cars is tragic, however I feel the more I read the more I slow down and think when I get in my car. Accidents happen the Enzo is beautiful and the best that Factory could do at the time.

    Andrew
     
  4. modena1_2003

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    Hmm....





    This kind of supernatural conspiracy is a little odd to me... In the tradition of high performance vehicles, 'the next is best.' This comes from the 288 GTO - the first 'modern' super car that Enzo himself saw put into production. Later of course after the GTO Evoluzione, came the F40 - the last super-Ferrari Enzo saw produced.

    288 to F40 is a big step in speed, handling, and all around drivability. An evolution of technical know-how and a progression into the new age for our "modern super car."

    The destruction of the Enzo by many different owners is by their own disregard for the road. There was a video that surfaced a while ago by an on-car camera taping the owner of a yellow Enzo doing 186 on a European highway. Any type of wreck would have been his own fault. It is not by some cosmic dislike of this car, but by the recklessness these drivers so openly embrace. I am sure that quite a few of us in our Ferraris have done something remotely crazy at one time of another. I am not innocent either, however, we take that risk every time. Its us - nobody else.

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=RPpnqcw_O4w

    Seeing as how evolution means the most in automotive, and technical design, I am sure Enzo himself would be proud of where his company has taken the automobile. Proud of the echelon we have achieved in mechanical design, and the maintaining of such a grand and very ultimate company!





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  5. DotHater

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    the reason they are getting smashed up is simple its more car than an unskilled driver can handle and the the roads arent engineered for such high speeds like in the case of Mr.Lossee, with proper instruction, a good trach a HANS system and helemet, and fire suppresion, the Enzo is a safe car, but driving it @3times the speed limit on unpredictable roads with traffic bad things can happen, fast. I got pulled over for 85 in a 45 a few weeks ago, they let me off, but i had no idea i was going that fast i thought i was in the hight 50's. Thats my only complaint about the Enzo it dosent talk back to you loud enough, the CS I had talked back but everything is muted in the Enzo, The LP640 is much more muted than a regular murci, the Diablo tells you when to shift etc. its too easy to go too fast in the Enzo bottom line.

    perhaps the guy in Nice was passing by someone who didnt see him and he got bumped or over corrected right into the tree. Any evidence of paint transfer from another car might have been burned off.
     
  6. ferraridude615

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    I believe Enzo said that his favorite Ferrari was the latest one, so he had to like it at one point.
     
  7. GTB4NART

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    Not cursed, just not engineered to deal with everyday issues like bumpy, pothole-filled, wet and crowned roads. As an aside, there was a German fellow who purchased a McLaren F1 brand new in the mid 1990s. He drove it every day to work "above 200 mph" he claimed. The McLaren salespeople thought he was exaggerating (obviously). Then, he had the car serviced and via the software, they saw that he in fact was regularly driving at speeds north of 220 mph!

     
  8. MS250

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    I think (from what i read)

    He would have not called the Enzo after himself....

    And I dont think the ferrari line up would be as large as it is today.

    Most certain he would have the 430 and the 599, but they would have been faster(i think) and less production numbers, and 40% more in price.
     
  9. Miura Jota

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    He was a big supporter of the 2+2 family of cars ...
    hence the Scaglietti would be his fave car
     
  10. MS250

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    This is true, but i think if he saw how much they have depreciated he would have cancelled that project. He never really got to see what happened to the Mondial....i think that would have changed his mind. Regardless it is what it is.
     
  11. TexasF355F1

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    I wrote a history paper on Ferrari my junior year of high school. I remember coming across a quote of him saying something similar to that. I also recall coming across something stating that Enzo really didn't particularly car for any of their road cars, he just built them so he could finance his racing.

    Which was true. So maybe he didn't care for them at first, but then later began to admire them more.
     
  12. starboy444

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    Any smart business owner would change his company with the times, ie... providing a competitive and quality product. In the 2+2 case, the type has diminished in value and popularity in the years due to lack of interest. I'm sure Mr. Enzo Ferrari would have seen this, if not Forseen it, and amended his product range accordingly.

    Mr. Montezemolo has done a fine job in leading the marque, since his early years in the '70's, he was able to work alongside Mr. Ferrari and his "scuderia", in its best times, and its worst times, thus guiding the company appropriately into the next stages of development and success.
     
  13. Rev.ATARI

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    This was not meant to be taken so seriously.
     
  14. ag512bbi

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    based on the ENZO looks itself, it's opinion. But, if you've ever drove one, you'll know why it is incredible. I've driven EVERTHING, and NOTHING compares to it. (from SLR, CGT, Konigsigg...)
     
  15. starboy444

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    That's ok, you have started a great discussion.
     
  16. modena

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    McLaren F1...?
     
  17. Craigy

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    It's almost a terrible thing since after the Enzo you're left thinking "Well, that's it. I've reached the end." :D
     
  18. starboy444

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    There is no end. As long as there are creative and driven engineers and designers, we will continue to see better machines being created in the future. And thanks to all the manufacturers who continue to push the automotive envelope for us to enjoy.

    The Enzo is the best now, but there will always be #2 biting at its heels.
     
  19. azew

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    Speaking of evolution, Social Darwinism is alive and well (so to speak) -- that is, the strongest or fittest should survive and flourish in society, while the weak and unfit should be allowed to die.
     
  20. istanl

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    Hey didn't he say "aerodynamics are for people who do not know
    how to build a proper engine?" :p
     
  21. Koby

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    Enzo sold street cars to fund his race team, buyers were nothing more than financiers. He didn't even have a very deep regard for the professionals that raced for him. I suspect Enzo today would not be too concerned by what his buyers did with his cars once the check cleared.
     
  22. modena1_2003

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    Im sure that Piano wasnt around to build him a wind tunnel either. ;)



    Regards
     
  23. starboy444

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    It took an Englishman (Colin Chapman) to fully integrate aerodynamics into racing. His team was the first to have "ground effects" in F1, Ferrari was so far behind, they never caught up until 2002.
     
  24. ag512bbi

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    owned! forgot to mention that!
     
  25. Ferrari0324

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    I never fully understood this question, Enzo did whatever it took to win. He was great because he applied technology that no one else had, he did what ever it took to make his cars faster and better. The Enzo is among the fastest and arguably is the best; I think he'd be pretty happy with a drive in it.
    Times changed while he was alive and his cars changed with them, I believe he also knew they would change when he was gone.
     

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