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Does Ferrari Engine Number Sequence Include Maserati Engines?

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  1. tazandjan

    tazandjan Three Time F1 World Champ
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    During 550 and 456/M production, Ferrari introduce a new tensioner bracket at Engine Number 48767 that carried over to the 575M and early 612s. This new bracket, along with the new belts introduced early in 575M production, allows five years between belt changes for 575Ms and, in some opinions, 550s and 456/Ms.

    In trying to extrapolate between a 550 and a 575M to find approximately what Serial Number 550 or 456 Engine Number 48767 would be, the engine numbers do not correlate at all to the serial numbers or assembly numbers.

    550 Serial Number 115512, Assembly Number 32682, Engine Number 52917
    575 Serial Number 135171, Assembly Number 52428, Engine Number 79727

    135171-11512=19,659, 52428-32682=19,746, 79727-52917=26,810.

    Serial Number and Assembly Number correlate nicely, as they should. But engine numbers indicate Ferrari built a whole lot more engines from MYs 1999-2004 than they did cars.

    So are Maserati engines sequenced in with the Ferrari engines for Engine Number or is there another explanation?

    Taz
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  2. Peter

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    Maybe. Weren't they produced in the same engine building as the Ferrari engines? If so, they probably are in sequence.
     
  3. 134282

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    Hey, Terry... How's it going? I hope all is well.

    Macerate engines, while built by Ferrari for a time, do not fall into Ferrari's engine number sequence. Ferrari's engine numbers are a sequence all their own.

    Ferrari's only consistency is their constant inconsistency. Ferrari has had numerous engine, assembly and body numbering systems that have changed over the years. Today, Ferrari engine numbers are concurrent throughout all road car and Challenge car model types (Formula One engine numbers are on a separate sequence). Years ago, engine numbers were specific to engine types and, in some cases, specific to engine types built for specific countries in certain model years. So there are some Boxers and Testarossas and 328s, etc., whose engine numbers are the same, but the engine types are different.

    The same applies for assembly numbers. Today, Ferrari assembly numbers are concurrent across all road car and Challenge car model types (I don't know if F1 cars have assembly numbers). But years ago, assembly numbers were specific to model types and, in some cases, specific to model types built for certain countries in certain model years.

    The only effort more mind-numbing than attempting to amass a complete number-based Ferrari registry, is trying to figure out why Ferrari has switched up these numbering systems over the years.

    I can't associate engine number 48767 with a specific serial number, but I can get within a range of cars. Engine number 48738 is with 111317, a 1998 USA-model 550 Maranello (a car on which I have extensive history). Engine number 48979 is with 111621, a 1998 righthand drive F355 GTS. Therefore it is safe to assume that engine number 48767 falls within early 1998 Ferraris (111317 was built in December, 1997, and 111621 was built in February, 1998).
     
  4. troyce

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    I have car 111382 with engine 48902.

    My concern is the serpentine belts for the water pump and hydraulic steering pumps. According to the Ricambi charts the same part number below is used for both applications (among several others). Part number: 199834.

    However, Ricambi describes the belt as Valid from engine Nr. 51923.

    Anyone have an explanation, and/or where to get the correct belts for my car?

    Thanks much,

    ~Troyce
    Titusville FL
     
  5. greyboxer

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    Did you try asking them ? My guess is the upgraded belt suits all but was only installed from new after that engine number
     
  6. 134282

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    Is this for a 550 Maranello?
     
  7. 134282

    134282 Four Time F1 World Champ
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    Bump. I'm still interested in learning whether 111382 is a 550 Maranello, or some other Ferrari model.
     
  8. troyce

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    #8 troyce, Jun 20, 2015
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    I did in fact ask them. Below find direct cut/paste from my correspondence:
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    Daniel Pass (Ricambi America)
    Jun 11, 07:20
    For the engine number you specified, and the marking on your existing belt, you'd require the 199834:

    Daniel Pass
    Ferrari, Maserati, Lamborghini Parts - Ricambi America, Inc.

    Troyce Walls
    Jun 10, 18:13
    I have car 111382 with engine 48902.
    My concern is the serpentine belts for the water pump and hydraulic pumps. According to your charts the same part number below is used for both applications (among several others). Part number: 199834.
    However, you describe the belt as Valid from engine Nr. 51923.
    Please advise whether you have or where I may find the correct belts for my car, if this part number is incorrect.
    Add info: belts on car are marked Dayco 1300K5 and 999K6
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    Ricambi America was incorrect in this instance, as the belts are two different lengths/diameters (whatever) for my car. Fortunately, we were able to match the smaller one at a local auto parts store. Had I had the belts in hand when I asked the question (they were at my shop) I would have known the info was incorrect, but instead relied on the answer from Ricambi. That's my mistake. Ricambis' mistake is knowing, according to their website listing, that the same size belt is required for engines later than 51923, but answering me directly that my engine (48902) also uses the same size belt for both apps.

    ~T
     
  9. au-yt

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    Hi Terry
    Interesting question.
    A friend did a Ferrari Factory tour as part of the 100 Years of Maserati. He explained that the Maserati engines are built in a separate part of the Ferrari Factory. Which does not answer your question but it may shed light on the numbering being sequenced separately.
    Especially when the Maserati people say the engines dont have any thing in common....
     
  10. troyce

    troyce Karting

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    Yes, a 1998 550 Maranello, number 111382, engine 48902.

    ~Troyce
     

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