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Don't Post Racing Videos Rule

Discussion in 'New York Tri-State' started by Black355, Nov 28, 2007.

  1. Black355

    Black355 F1 Veteran

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    Hi,

    I don't want to debate what's right and wrong or what's fair and just...I just want to get some clarity on this rule. I'm assuming that this applies to videos of "street racing" and "exhibition of speed". The kind of "racing" that's done on public roadways, around unknowing motorists, normally on highways... you know, the kind of activities that seem to be claiming lives on a monthly basis out in Southern California?

    But this would NOT include videos of on-track events (driver's education, exhibition or competition), drag strip runs (club events, open track time, etc.), autocross events (closed lots, club sanctioned), permitted production (closed roads, commercial shoots, etc.) or other events under the jurisdiction of motorsports governing bodies and/or local law enforcement.

    Right?

    I just want to make sure as I recently posted some in-car video going around 200mph in the GT3 on a highway... during one of the scenarios outlined above. :)
     
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  3. yourk

    yourk Formula Junior

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    repost the video.

    By the way -
    fcvking badass shot here
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  4. wassabihg

    wassabihg Formula 3

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    I've missed that video. Link?
     
  5. Speedracer38

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    I don't think he posted it yet.
     
  6. Ferrarispeed28

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    post it up! I want to check it out...
     
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  8. cmcjo

    cmcjo Formula Junior

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    I see the other thread that posted a street racing video was closed and against the rules. But I just want to know why it is against the rules? I am not against watching these races or high speed drives. I think maybe it brings on lots of arguments on how people should not be street racing and that is why they ban the posts?

    I mean a Ferrari is supposed to be one of the fastest race car / street car so why not post races and fast driving videos here?

    I am for a section called races and fast driving like the way the Mercedes forum is. If the most popular Mercedes forum can do it why not a ferrari forum?
     
  9. staatsof

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    Better judgement?
     
  10. Black355

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    Everyday on La Carrera, you drive for about 6 hours. You have "Transit Sections" and "Speed Sections". Transit Sections are conducted on open roads under the supervision of police. Transit sections usually have police assistance closing intersections when race-cars show up and police escorts. Transit sections have speed limits, but you rarely follow them -- because the police MAKE you drive faster. (It takes a day or 2 to get use to that -- Here's a video of the start of a transit section taken and posted by some kid in Mexico.) Speed sections, like the one below are a few miles long and take place on closed roads. Speed sections are in the mountains, through forests, around cliffs, through towns and even right through the busiest and most congested cities in the country. Speed sections can be tests of skill and stamina -- some of them are 35km long. You never see the same turn twice. It's an amazing experience.

    Of course, every afternoon is chaos and pandaemonium at the finish lines, too. Town squares closed. Traffic stopped. Businesses closed and kids out of school. Flying in to crowds of 5,000 under police escort. TV and radio interviews. Lots of beer. And food. Photos with the Governors and Mayors of the different states. Local celebrities and Mexican Soap Stars. One night, on Halloween actually, we had a parade through this town. We left the cars parked on the main road over night. Like in the street. They gave every driver and navigator a shot glass on a ribbon and put it around their neck. A mariachi band led us to an 18th century bullring attached to the Quinta Real Hotel. All the way there, these 2 donkeys were carrying these barrels on their back filled with Tequila. It was total chaos of the best kind. The way other "glamour rallies" should be.

    The video below was shot on the Periferico in Mexico City. It's a few km, and is normally a stretch of road that takes about 45 minutes to traverse. We did it in under 3. According to the Traqmate, we hit a maximum speed of 187 and averaged about 155. The road was slightly damp (it started raining about 5 minutes after we finished) and not as smooth as the highways were up north where we had sustained speeds of over 195mph. It's pretty amazing to be on a closed 4-lane concrete highway entering a 7km speed section with only 1 turn that you slow to 160mph to take.

    Anyway, here's the video of Mexico City.

    ...as well as a few others...

    ...and clearly this was a close course. As you can tell by the spectators on the road at the start, the fans on the overpasses, the police blocking the entrance ramps, and the very unhappy people stuck in traffic in the oncoming lanes and the service road, as well as the part where we didn't pass anyone! :p
     
  11. Black355

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    Despite the fact that it's not technically against the law nor can you be prosecuted for excessive speed if it's caught on tape (otherwise, there'd be a cop on the overpass of your local freeway shooting all day and then sending citations all night) there are certain liabilities for web site operators associated with putting that activity online -- should it result in other violations or even death. The Arizona/Lamborghini video as an example, they are trying to cite him for reckless endangerment -- but they need to find and prove that based on the evidence. Which will be a challenge, but not impossible.

    I just want to make sure that we know the rules, too.

    If you want to see some harsh anti-street racing sentiment, go post that Lamborghini/Arizona link on Digital Corvettes. Aside from the anti Lamborghini contingent, they were right in the middle of a bad situation on this front about a year ago... It was not a good thing and the community will let you know it.

    There's lots of places that don't have such strong objections to street racing videos like YouTube and StreetFire for example. Just remember, don't believe everything you see on the Internet...
     
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  13. Simba

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    155? Do they have their lane stripes considerably farther apart down there? Doesn't look quite that fast.

    Cool though, save for that annoying spinning watermark. :p
     
  14. Black355

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  15. wassabihg

    wassabihg Formula 3

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    I just went though all the videos. That looks like TONS of fun.
    Thanks for posting and I'm sure those are not violations of the rules here, since those are obviously closed roads with police presence.
     
  16. noahlh

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    I'm curious about this part. I know the powers that be here _think_ this is the case and are certainly acting as if it's the case, but is it really the case? Has there really been a situation where a website operator has been found liable in any capacity for simply being the medium of expression for this kind of thing?
     
  17. wassabihg

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    I think it has dual purpose. There certainly isn't any legal precedent of this that I know of, but Fchat probably doesn't want to be the first and doesn't need the bad publicity it might get as a result.
     
  18. sezme

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    Is it *really* that hard to adhere to the rules of this community? It's Robs private sandbox, and he make the rules based on his perception of overall liability...
     
  19. LAMBOJOE

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    cough "ass kisser" cough :D
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  20. Black355

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    Its not, as long as we know what the rule is -- which was the point of the thread! :)
     
  21. LAMBOJOE

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    Hey Emil we all drive 55 mph :D
    Nice Video's baby.
     
  22. DodgeViper01

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    I had the video of the Lamborghini up and was banned for a day because of it. It was a violation of the rules so I can not complain but is the a legit rule? I understand where it is coming from but if it is not our own video and already hosted then I feel that it would not be a big deal. I guess it can promote the wrong idea so it is a fair rule. This is probably the reason I do not have my own forum as it is too much work to patrol. Sorry about posting the Lambo video Dave. Did not mean to insult you or the forum especially since you have helped me out before. Have a good one.
     
  23. MattF NYMC

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    I do have my own forum and anyone and everyone is free to post anything there that might be questionable here, as well as anything else they like, if Rob's rule are too much for them.

    www.newyorkmotorclub.com/forum

    not spamming here, just a friendly reminder.
     
  24. robiferretti

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  25. arnaget

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    [edit] link wasn't actually posted (or was removed) in the other subforum. nevermind.
     
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  28. Sam Son

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    are you alluding to something or someone?

    Love the GT3 Emil

    when it comes out of hibernation in the summer I still want a ride:D
     

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