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Discussion in 'Ferrari Discussion (not model specific)' started by 134282, Apr 19, 2015.

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  1. msdesignltd

    msdesignltd Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Didnt this become Obvious back when Ferrari claimed 400 288 GTO's, and the count was over 450?
    Or something like those #'s...???
     
  2. Sfumato

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    Ferrari lies now. Always a little "fib", an Enzo 1/399/425+. Aperta 1/80/120+
    "They're all spoken for". I'm sure Bieber was on the list.
    You don't need to flip cars every 6 months to get a "special" car.
    Carb, show them :)
     
  3. Matthias Urban

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    at least F-Register shows

    479 Enzos plus the three "M"-prototypes

    118 identified SA Aperta plus the "VIN"-borrowing show car
     
  4. Matthias Urban

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    this is a bit exaggerated, 272 officially, 281 identified
     
  5. GuyIncognito

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    does this occur for the "normal" model range as well?

    for example, for years Ferrari claimed production was capped at 3,500 cars; were they really producing 3700-4000 cars those years?
     
  6. 134282

    134282 Four Time F1 World Champ
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    LOL! That should be your signature!

    LMAO, I might change it! It's perfect!

    Matthias, go back and look at my original post - the F12's VIN is at the base of the windshield, where we look for all VINs on contemporary and current Ferraris. Unfortunately, I don't have any additional pictures of the F12. Sorry.

    :)

    Jerry, I have many notes in my database where one person spotted one car in one place, but someone else spotted a different car, with the same serial number, in another place. Unfortunately, there is never photographic proof of the serial numbers or VINs from both sides. This is why the speculation is common - not new at all - but the proof I've presented here puts the debate to rest. The F12 isn't sporting a mere matricola plaque or some sticker, and it's not a picture of a serial number in an owner's manual - it's a full and proper and correct VIN.

    I'm not familiar with Ferrari claiming a certain number of GTOs and then making more. The GTO is the most limited of all the Ferrari super cars.

    I'm loathe to post a string of 490+ Enzo serial numbers and information and histories and assembly numbers and engine numbers and body numbers without some serious compensation. It has taken me years to amass, cultivate, and confirm this information.

    Matthias, I have 492 Enzo serial numbers, plus the serial number of one M prototype (90865). I do not know the serial numbers of the other two M prototypes. Also, I have it on very good authority that Ferrari built around 520 Enzos, so I'm still missing around 30 Enzo serial numbers.

    Matthias, including the (six) GTO Evos, I have 290 GTO serial numbers; so 284 + six Evos = 290.
     
  7. nickmb

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    Amazing stuff Carbon,

    Do you do this for a living?
     
  8. 134282

    134282 Four Time F1 World Champ
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    Nick, yes - but I'm using the phrase "for a living" loosely. It's not an avocation from which I derive any financial compensation. But I'm obsessed, and spend all day working on my database. I wake up every morning to PMs on FerrariChat, PMs on Facebook, e-mails, etc. I quit my job back in August and just spend all day, everyday, working on my database. I haven't been out of the house in a while, so I think I'm gonna go for a drive today, get some fresh air, and hope the natural sunlight doesn't set me ablaze. :)

    There are two major events currently ongoing. There's Top Marques in Monaco, and Tour Auto (was in Paris two day ago, now they're in Vichy, France). So I've been receiving a lot of messages with serial numbers and pictures, so I have a lot of work to do, a lot of information I need to enter into my database. So a little fresh air this afternoon before I get back to cultivating and updating Ferrari history.
     
  9. Sfumato

    Sfumato F1 World Champ

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    Carb, don't show them literally.
    Embarass them. Facts to back it up aren't issue. Lies are the issue.
    I've had it with the BS. Truly. They're wrecking the brand, have been for awhile. Worse now.
    Too afraid to let a customer run a car at a track where a P1 and 918 are being run.
    The old man is spinning in his grave.
     
  10. Phil~

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    Truley fascinating stuff.
     
  11. 134282

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    Thank you.

    Indeed, Enzo might very well be displeased with how things are going at Ferrari these days. I know he was all about making money for the race team, but these days Ferrari makes more money annually from licensing its logo(s) than they make annually from car sales.

    I have always heard from people on occasion about their poor experiences with official dealers and service centers. But since starting this thread, I've been flooded with messages; a lot of people are unhappy with how they're treated, how cars are (mis)represented, people sending me serial numbers and VINs to check history and/or see if there are doubles of their cars, etc. One person even sent me information that could lead the discovery of another serial number used more than once!

    Like I said in previous posts, it's been suggested, implied, and assumed that Ferrari has been reusing serial numbers for years. Finally, after a decade of hammering away, everyday, I have photographic proof that I willingly posted, and it's irrefutable. if I come across more, I'll post those, too. Upward and onward; thank you for your support, I really appreciate it.
     
  12. Matthias Urban

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    the six Evo's have not been included, Carbon, I assume we should exchange our lists of Enzo, SA and GTO, shouldn't we? ;)
     
  13. 134282

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    Oooh, I don't know. I've been excluded from group activities for quite some time, instead having to fly solo, relying on persistence and determination, and making (and training!) brand new contacts to establish a network of all new assets around the world. ;)
     
  14. VIZSLA

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    I miss the old days when one car would have two Serial Numbers.
     
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    134282 Four Time F1 World Champ
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    LOL!
     
  16. jm2

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    :D
     
  17. El Wayne

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    Serial numbers? Ah yes, not as clumsy or random as VINs ... an elegant system for a more civilized age.
     
  18. 134282

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    You're walking awfully close to the footsteps of the curmudgeons who came before you.
     
  19. El Wayne

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    I believe that they collectively referred to themselves as "dinosaurs." And don't forget that the paths that were forged by those footsteps are the basis of the roads and highways that we're currently expanding and paving.
     
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    134282 Four Time F1 World Champ
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    This thread is proof of that very factual statement

    Now steer clear of those Tyrannosaur prints before you start *****ing how most people spell Testarossa as a single word with no spaces.
     
  21. El Wayne

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    I'm more bothered by the constant rehashing of classic names than I am by the choice of spelling. Mondial, Testarossa, GTO, Superamerica, California. California? On an entry-level 2+2 with a retractable hardtop?* And when they aren't rehashing old names, they're creating ridiculous new ones. The Ferrari Enzo Ferrari? The Ferrari LaFerrari? Really?

    *I suppose they already diluted the "California" moniker by reusing it on the large and plush 365 California.

    (And yes, before you mention it, I'm just as disappointed with the use of the Ghibli name on an entry-level sedan.)
     
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    You're preaching to the choir with that one, buddy. I think my favorite is the SpecialeA; although the FXXK is kinda clever.

    I wasn't going to mention it - no offense, but I don't give a **** about the contemporary Trident.
     
  23. El Wayne

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    And one more thing: You damned kids stay off my lawn!
     
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    I don't mind this specific reuse as I feel it's a true homage. It harkens back to the 250s and 365 of the '60s - comfortable, stylish, sporty convertibles that you imagine driving up or down the west coast, trunk full of bikinis and woven baskets full of White Zinfandel and gross, expensive cheese.
     
  25. El Wayne

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    But that's not what the original California was! The California was a stripped-down, racier alternative to the more plush 250 GT Cabriolet. It was lighter and more performance-oriented. It was, in essence, an open-top TdF.
     

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