Double standard

Just what other problems of teams running Ferrari motors are you talking about??? Ferrari builds one of the most reliable engines on the grid.

If other teams are having problems a lot of it can be tied to the design of the chassis, Oil tank Suspension Etc.

 

What on earth are you talking about? Michelin admitted the mistake. So Michelin lets down their teams and now I have a double standard. Please list the specific problems the other teams have encountered and how we, as Ferrari fans, have shifted blame elsewhere.

 

There is no double standard. Ferrari is not going to give the teams that use their motors their most up to date technology. Would you give your opponents your technology if you were an F-1 team?

 

If they don't like them they can go somewhere else for one or build their own. Since when is that Ferrari's problem and not theirs?

 

I am confused how this thread originated. Who said what to start this "double standard" discussion?

Mark Nerheim

 

I think the guy at the top of the page made it up

 

Thanks Doc TC. But the discussion seemed to get a little surly pretty quickly.

Mark

 

seems we all are getting a little testy here of late. it may be time for us to GET OVER IT!!!!! if i had every few thousand dollars i pissed away or got screwed out of on something stupid i'd be driving a new enzo. there is another race next week. look ahead. stop crying over spilt milk.

 

I don't think the Michelin tyres work very well on spilt milk. Adding tears to the mix will just make things worse!

 

You are trying to make a point based on what appears to be a false assumption. It is obvious that Michelin made a mistake that caused the fiasco at Indy. I am not aware of any similar problems created by Ferrari. If you are aware of any such problems, state them so we can evaluate.

 

Sure every body makes mistakes but there's a difference between making a mistake and messing something up.

As for the double standard I just don't see your point.

 

Only because they did not commit the required time and money for proper testing, research and development.

 

The point was... "let me see, somehow, I can bash Ferrari"


Bashing Ferrari engines? HAHAHA Thats like a Jaguar engineer bashing Toyota quality. "Lemont...you a dummy!"

 

Michelin came to the show unprepared, with a batch of inferior tires that could not withstand the rigors of the race.

I have heard no complaints on the overall reliability of the Ferrari motors. If there was a recurring issue with them, I have a feeling that Ferrari would at least make an effort to rectify the problem, rather than to ask for the subversion of the rules.

I agree with you on one point though, I was not pleased by the rules regarding tires and motors implemented this season..... but at the moment, those are the rules.

Come on Stuart, their tires couldn't last ten laps, for god's sake. That is inexcusable!

They sacraficed the safety of drivers and spectators to gain a performance advantage, simply stated THEY LOST!! Then they tried to turn it into a pissing match instead of a race, well I say piss on them.

If the conditions of this situation were reversed, do you think that the FIA would have any more sympathy for Bridgestone? HELL NO! And Stuart, that's the way it should be, those are the rules.

If anybody does not want to play by the rules, they had the pre-season choice not to get involved in the game. Michelin chose to play, now they are whining about the rules that they themselves agreed to be constrained by, piss on them.

 

Some people just like to say crap just to get a rise out of people, and others bite on it. The whole premise of this thread is misdirected.

It's such crap, that it doesn't even need the attention and responses it's getting !

(oops, I guess I'm responding huh? Oh well). Some people's thought processes just amaze me. There should be a psychotherapy link on this site.

 

Please...

Provide at least statistics showing where the Ferrari engines that have been supplied to teams other than Ferrari have failed.

Also, I had thought that the Saubers got the new motors before Ferrari actually raced on them. And yes, they have been faster at times. Less reliable? Uhhh no.

 

Michelin came to gun fight and only had a knife, they MESSED up big time

 

This is non-factual, incoherent and unworthy of further discussion.

 

Stuart,
With all due respect, how would it be equitable to change the rules on a moment's notice?

How would it be equitable to change the track at the last moment?

Granted there were a lot of people at Indy who were deprived of the "show" they paid for. Everybody was unhappy, even the strongly biased Ferrari fans who were happy about the win, were upset at the lack of competition.

Now Stuart,

A) How does this make it the FIA's fault. I personally do not like the no tire change rule, but that is the rule. Michelin can't claim that they 1) didn't know about, or 2) didn't have time to prepare for it.

B) How is this Ferrari's fault?

 

dretceterini:

You say Michelin made it's best efforts.

How?

By testing two crappy drivers in two crappy cars?