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Discussion in 'Midwest - USA (NE, KS, OK, MO, AR)' started by focusfoolish, Aug 2, 2006.

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  1. focusfoolish

    focusfoolish Rookie

    Aug 2, 2006
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    Ok first of all the title is a joke, you all are actually lifesavers!

    I just finished 4 years at Truman State University (Kirksville, MO) and have returned back to St. Louis. My degree is in health science and I plan on going to Washington University for a doctorate in Occupational Therapy. Having just finished my undergrad classes last week, I didn't want to start grad school right away and have decided to take a year off. I was really hoping to find a job in car sales since I love everything about them. However, I was never really sure I could have fun selling Honda/Chevy/Ford and the like.

    Enter Daniel Schmitt & Co. They are currently hiring, and what 22 y/o car nut wouldn't want to spend his days on Ebay helping to sell Ferraris and Porsches? Thanks to you guys/girls I see the truth about this dealership and have completely rethought my plan of applying. I had gone over the interview in my head multiple times, praising them for switching to internet sales to increase business (not knowing they have shady car histories and inadequate inspections), but thought I could show some personal initiative by encouraging them to have salesman become an active part of the online car community.

    When I bought a DSM, I joined DSMTuners. I currently have a Focus and put lots of time in at that site. A recent possible Mazda3 purchase led me to the Mazda3Forums.com website. What better place to sell a vehicle then amongst enthusiasts? In order to help my cause I joined FerrariChat today and my eyes were opened to the truth.

    Now for a question. Is there any way for a 22, almost 23 y/o, with no sales experience to enter into the world of exotic car sales? I've test driven numerous vehicles over my few years and have seen the same guy working at no less than 3 different dealerships. Granted anyone can be a salesman, just maybe not a decent one, but what are the chances of a hard working, intelligent, car enthusiast to work with and sell the vehicles he has only dreamt about?

    Thanks for reading and for helping me to avoid a morally corrupt place of business, hopefully one day I can join these forums as real Ferrari owner, not just a dreamer.

    Greg
     
  2. Tomf-1

    Tomf-1 F1 Rookie

    Jan 17, 2004
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    i had first hand experience w/ the DS folks a couple years ago. thankfully, the transaction wasn't consumated and the salesman walked out of his job after alerting me of the potential problems and talking me out of buying the car (it was a TR convertible).

    you made a right decision. life is too short to do things where your integrity is constantly a subject of doubt.

    i don't know much about car sale as a career but i do know if i were to purchase a vehicle, you are the type of person i'd want to buy from regardless of your age. best of luck to you and your endeavors.


    regds,
     
  3. boy2man

    boy2man Karting

    Jan 30, 2006
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    San Diego, CA
    Do a search for "Ferrari salesmen" or some variation of that. There are a couple of good threads that usually start by asking how much they make, but eventually get into the difficulty of breaking into exotic car sales.

    I'm sure there are exceptions, but my friend, who is as big of a car enthusiast as anyone, said he could never sell cars at his age (23) even though he is bright, articulate, and a car nut, because customers would not take him seriously. I'd imagine that if that held true for Toyotas, then multiply it tenfold for exotics. We young guys might be able to sell with the best of them, but would you really be surprised if you never got an interview because you were “just a kid?”

    By all means try if you can, I just suspect the odds are stacked against you.
     
  4. rollsorferrari?

    rollsorferrari? F1 Veteran

    Jun 5, 2006
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    this is a great post. DS is BS, for lack of a better term. i am in college studying business management, and my goal is to become a car broker, dealing with what i consider the 4 major exotic/luxury brands-Ferrari, Lamborghini, Bentley and Rolls Royce. I have chatted with the people up at Bentley St. Louis on a number of occasions about this, and they have been very helpful to me. If you want some more info, feel free to drop me a pm, and i can give you some more of my "knowledge>"
     
  5. focusfoolish

    focusfoolish Rookie

    Aug 2, 2006
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    Well, with that idea out the window, I am still in need of a job. West County BMW is hiring, which would be fun, if I could get the job. Since this is most likely only for less than a year, Tri-Star Mercedes and apparently Bentley St. Louis are looking for receptionists. Although you guys can and do own these amazing vehicles, not of all of us can afford them (which I know you know), but at least I will still get the chance to be around some beautiful cars without having to give up my morals in order to make a few bucks. I'll let you know if I get either job (my fiance is interested in the Bentley job) and maybe you can stop by and I can get you some coffee or something. I don't really know what a receptionist does? Good thing I went to college for 4 years! Thanks again!

    Greg
     
  6. Whisky

    Whisky Three Time F1 World Champ
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    Jan 27, 2006
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    You went to college and got a 4 year degree, and it will be worth it. One thing folks use VERY EARLY ON in looking for prospective employees is 'college degree y/n', and if the box is checked 'n', you are immediately tossed aside. Trust me, I know this.

    In today's world, some companies get 2,000 apps a week for ONE job, they have to narrow it down somehow, and that's an easy first criteria to 'flunk' someone on.
    I personally know of an average-sized company (250 employees, 200 million in sales) that advertised for a Marketing Director - and got over 10,000 apps from all over the nation !

    If anyone is thinking of dropping out of college - DON'T.
     
  7. BMW.SauberF1Team

    BMW.SauberF1Team F1 World Champ

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    Some jobs do require a college degree, but very good experience can make you stand out without it. A lot of college students don't have any real experience and they're just riding their academic "credentials" to get their job. After your first job, employers will only care about your experience, not grades.

    With that said, I feel like my degree is worthless. At least to me. It's merely another step one has to take in order to go up (in my case, med school). I would've preferred to do without it. I really didn't learn much in college in my business classes that I felt would help me the slightest. Only my science classes taught me something. Overall, college was overrated from my view. I definitely see why college isn't for everyone. I'm just really tired of all the gen ed classes they make you take and it seemed like an extension of high school with just a few extra courses to put you in a "major."

    Edit:

    I just saw this, lol. I definitely agree. I graduated this past May from the Univ of FL with a degree in Econ. Excellent grades, experience with research, and a lot of volunteer work. I'm taking a year off, too, between now and (hopefully) med school. I wanted to keep myself busy by getting a job. I applied in early May for an economist position in DC, didn't get it. I applied to a few other places, didn't hear back, even when they asked for my resume by word of mouth, they never even followed up with me. I decided to put my job search on hold and study for the MCAT (a week from today is the exam) so I ended up signing up with a job agency. What a joke. All they did was talk down to me and say how I would never get over $13/hr with my degree for a few years. F them. I'm done with the business world, which drives me even more into the field of medicine. College degrees are not worth it if you have to pay for it (I had a full ride, very happy I didn't pay for ****).
     
  8. Pantera

    Pantera F1 Rookie

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    Well I know a few people who have went to college for more than 10years got the degree but still didn't get the job they worked so hard for and they are currently working in WallMart. Out of all the people I know there's only one person I know that actually made after nearly 6 years.

    Me I went to a local cummity college for about 6months after i got out of highschool thinking that this is the place for me and i have waited so long for this and not to long after that I became very unhappy because I felt that i wasn't getting closer to my goals and dreams and found myself settling for less. Im not saying its a bad place its just not for everyone like myself. I enjoyed the automotive/aircraft technology field but i couldn't see myself doing it for the rest of my life.

    Right now im in the process of getting my life Insurance license and Srucities and V.A. and have learned so much more than I have in college about investments and how money works. Eventually I will finish what I started but I feel that getting those license's are more important to me.
     
  9. slm

    slm F1 Rookie
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    BMW.SauberF1Team,

    Don't mean to hijack the thread, but I think you are being very wise taking a year off befor Med School. Once you start, it will be at least 7 years befor you get off the merry-go-round. Enjoy the year and do well on the MCAT. Also, I think it's great that you have a buisness degree. I spend some time with High School kids interested in going into medicine and recommend that they look strongly at a buisness major. This will help you out later. Whether we docs like it or not, we practice medicine, but also have to run a buisness.

    Best of luck.

    Steve
     
  10. BMW.SauberF1Team

    BMW.SauberF1Team F1 World Champ

    Dec 4, 2004
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    Steve, thank you for the advice! I think the main thing that drew me away from business was just the way my college taught the classes. Each class had over 1,000 students so it was all shown through web-based platforms. Little to no interaction with professors (other than e-mail) and mainly memorization of definitions. Of the few classes for my upper level Econ classes, we had 20 students per class. Much better and this is why I still like economics so much. One class I really enjoyed was "the legal environment of business." It was one of the very few classes where we mainly discussed things from the real world and not just text definitions. A lot of stuff about malpractice, too. ;)

    I do think that everyone entering college should definitely try something else like you mentioned. I entered still looking at medicine, but wanted to try some options. Other than business, I also did some research work in case something like zoology with PhD work would interest me. I also did some after school counsler work (middle school), which was also very fun.

    Thanks for wishing me luck for the MCAT! :D I just took my last practice exam today so hopefully I can do well on Saturday. I'd be very happy with anything over 30!

    -Al
     
  11. rollsorferrari?

    rollsorferrari? F1 Veteran

    Jun 5, 2006
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    I finished my freshman year at Mizzou a couple of months ago, and like a lot of freshmen, I had my resentments. I was taking classes, and sitting there wondering, there is no chance I am ever going to use this in what I want to do. I mean, where does classical mythology come into play when doing business? I really stopped and thought if college was for me, and I was very serious about taking a year off and seeing what "real life" is really like. However, I was able to get accepted to Westminster College, where the classes are maxed out at about 20 students per class, no more 450 student lectures for me! Westminster basically made me see that a lot of other freshman have the same problems I do, and that you just gotta stick through it, and if you still feel the same way after another year, then yes, maybe college isn't for you. On the other hand, the wealthiest man that I know personally, did not even finish high school. I know tons of other people who have become very successful without a degree.
     

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